The Iraqi Constitution - Fun in the Sun in the Cradle (and Death Bed) of Civilization
October 18th, 2005 | by Jersey McJones |Well, it looks like the new Iraqi Constitution will pass after all. What a grand turn of events for our illustrious President. Looks like those Diebold machines really work, wherever you use them! Despite Sunni opposition to the document, and despite the fact that most Sunnis certainly voted “no” en masse in at least the three provinces where they are a majority, and despite the rule that if the document failed in three provinces it would fail period, and despite the fact that Federalism, Theocracy, Privatization, Misogyny and almost Universal Gun Ownership are a constant threat to stability in Iraq, the Constitution will pass and Civil War is on it’s merry way! Here’s a fun exercise: ask a conservative or libertarian friend if they notice any of the irony in all this! Great fun at parties! Remember, we had quite the little Civil War ourselves thanks to issues with our Original Document, for all you Constructionists out there.
Anyway, I thought we’d take a look at the new Constitution and see what all the fuss is about. It’s remarkably similar to our own Original Constitution, without all those pesky Liberal Activist Amendments. Let’s have a look-see. Here’s the preamble:
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE DISUNITED FEDERALIST THEOCRATIC PROVINCES OF IRAQ
We the Muslim Male People of the The Disunited Federalist Theocratic Provinces of Iraq, in Order to form a more perfect Disunion, establish Shari’a Law, insure domestic obedience to Allah, have America provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare for everyone except ex-Baathist Dead-Enders, Women, and Non-Muslim Infidels, and secure the few Islamically accepted Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for The Disunited Federalist Theocratic Provinces of Iraq.
Praise Allah!
Wow. It has all the power of ours, yet so much more concise! How could anyone not vote for this work of political art? Let’s see some more:
Article. I.
Section 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Theocratic Congress of Iraq, which shall consist of a Senate of Imams and House of Moral Repercussionists.
Praise Allah!
Section. 2.
Clause 2: No Person shall be a Repercussionist who shall not have attained to the Age of Twenty Five Years, a Pronounced Beard and Mustache, and been seven Years a Citizen of Disunited Iraq, and who shall not, when elected, be an Infidel against Allah, a Jew, a Christian, an Atheist, a Woman, French, an Ex-Baathist, relatively Liberal, a fan of Desperate Housewives, Salman Rushdie, or any non-male, non-Muslim scum.
Praise Allah!
Clause 3: Repercussionists, Direct Taxes, and Oil Revenues shall be apportioned among the several Provinces which may be included within this Disunion, according to their respective Numbers of Male Servants of Allah, which shall be determined by adding to the Whole Number of Non-Ex-Baathist Muslim Free Persons, including those bound to Service for Haliburton for a Term of Years, and excluding Kurds not taxed, including Harem Wives, three fifths of all other Persons, like Indian Slave Girls. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Theocratic Congress of Disunited Iraq, and within every subsequent Term of Ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Shari’a Law direct or whenever Tom Delay so chooses. The Number of Repercussionists shall not exceed one for every Thirty Thousand Free Loyal Muslim Men, but each Province shall have at Least one Repercussionist; and until such enumeration shall be made, the Province of New Hashishshire shall be entitled to choose three, Mullahchusettes eight, Rhode-Imam and Providence Kurdations one, Conneticutoffyourhead five, New Baghdad six, New Jersheik four, Pennsylmania eight, Delbeware one, Maryswamp six, Virgin-ia ten, North Chantolina five, South Chantolina five, Georgebushia three, and Texas five thousand.
Praise Allah!
Can’t ya’ just smell the freedom!
Section. 3.
Clause 2: Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election with Diebold machines, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes: Shi’a, Kurd, and Sunni. The Seats of the Imam Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class whenever the first two feel like it.
Praise Allah!
Clause 3: No Person shall be a Imam Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, have a very pronounce beard, and been nine Years a Citizen of Disunited Iraq, and who shall not, when elected, be an Infidel against Allah!
Praise Allah!
It pretty much goes on like that. So, now, IS THERE ONE SINGLE GOD DAMNED PREDICTION MADE ABOUT THIS WAR, BEFORE THIS WAR, BY PEOPLE LIKE ME, THAT HASN’T COME TRUE??? This may be all in fun, but how far off could it be? Now they are auditing the elections because some provinces had 99% turnouts! It’s all over the news. The sleazy incompetent cons have made a tyrannical theocracy of a tyrannical secular state. Which is worse? I’d take the latter, myself. We warned you, sleazy cons, and now we will probably have to clean up the mess. Thanks for nothing, sleazy cons.
62 Responses to “The Iraqi Constitution - Fun in the Sun in the Cradle (and Death Bed) of Civilization”
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Jersey, I’m so much more informed now that I’ve read what you have to say. I’m glad to hear that you support the war and the freedom of the Iraq people. It’s terrible listening to all these other people hope and pray that the American’s and the Iraqi’s fail at every turn. At least we have someone like you hoping for there success!
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Success is a subjective standard, Treason.
Of course, I do not support the war, which means I do support “the freedom of the Iraq people.” Get it?
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Hey I heard they are shipping in Christians to help colonize. If they can’t get the Muslims out by force then they will breed them out. Do you think they will be able to tolerate “God Bless America” banners on their government buildings?
I also heard that if that doesn’t work they are going to ship the Iraqis our old horse blankets infected with the Plague rumor has it we still have a ton of them still stockpiled in a warehouse in Kansas.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
I fear, TB, that someday we may see a disease that will wipe out most of the developing world - engineered right here in the good ol’ US of A.
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
So Jersey, your a doomesdayer. You should seek help for that disease.
Anyways, thought this might make y’all happy here at BIO!:
Bill O’Reilly Hires Bodyguards, May Retire
Jim Meyers, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005
Link if you’d like to read the rest:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/18/111729.shtml
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Problem with this story is The Bastard would say, “it’s from News Max it can’t be true.” I hope TB is right this time! lol
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
NewsMuck sucks and so does Bush!
By Joe Snitty on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Haven’t you heard? It’s called neoconservatitus and it’s already been unleashed on the American people. Symptoms include unprovoked aggression, dementia, memory loss, paranoia and occasional bouts of total psychosis.
The good news is that many of the victims seem to be recovering.
The bad news is that many of the disease carriers continue to spread this debilitating illness.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Newsmax is a joke. “Doomesayer”? What the f is that? I’m a realist, rather than a pie-eyed optismistic fool. There’s a fine line between positivism and fatalism, Treason. Better watch it. Bill O’Reilly is a sleazy scumbag.
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Uuuuggghhhh, I can’t believe you linked to her from this site!!! That’s one of the ways it can spread and from what I told the government doesn’t have enough vaccine to combat it. They are to worried about the bird flu. Not!
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Hey what if bird flu hit Iraq? I guess Bush would claim total victory and a double secret mission accomplished?
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Jersey, NewsMax may be a joke but not as BIG as a Joke as BIO! I only come here as means of filling my day with some comedy.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Hey, look at what the US is doing with AIDs aid in Africa - specifically denying aid to programs that encourage safe sex! And look where AIDs came from in the fist place - Dutch scientists in Congo testing Polio vaccines on locals with diseased monkey kidney matter in the shots. I truly believe we are actively murdering off parts the third world.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Treason, if you’re serious, you are functionally retarded. If not - bravo, encore!
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Jersey, I’m functionally retarted to answer your question. That’s how I’ve made it through life so well thus far. I like to call it Common Sense v.s. functionally retarted though. But I’ll still except the encore from you.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Treason - really? You really believe all that flag-waving, positivist, GOP sychopant b.s.? REALLY???
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
::cricket:: ::cricket:: ::cricket::
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Well maybe
By Jersey McJones on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
C’mon man, you can do better than that.
Look, you’re Pro-Life (as long as it’s in the womb), right? Where’s the ban on abortion? The GOP has been running things for how long now? Where’s the SCOTUS nominee that will actually stand up and say that they would overturn RvW? Where?
You’re for School Choice, right? Where’s that been? Reversing the Gun Control laws? Lowering spending? The Line Item Veto? Any Vetoes?
Face it man, you’ve been CONned.
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Jersey, slow down….I only posted “well maybe” because my other post said I couldn’t post thought I was BANNED. “well maybe” was just a test to make sure I wasn’t banned.
Anyways, I’ll still answer. Personally I’m against abortion but I could give two shits whether a woman wants to get one or not. She can deal with God when she meets him.
Second, I don’t own a gun and personally don’t like them but I think everyone else should own one or has the right to own one.
School choice. It is my choice. I have two sex trophies and it’s my choice to either send them to private school or public school. I don’t have a problem with either one.
And personally I love to spend and pay taxes. I just don’t like you liberals spending MY money on people who won’t work for a living. Fuck the poor.
By Joe Snitty on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Treason, are you seriously suggesting that the majority of poor people don’t work?
By Treason on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Come on Joe, you know damn well what I meant. People who will not work and live off government hand outs.
By Joe Snitty on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Oh, I definitely know what you meant. And I’d be fascinated to hear what percentage of funding for social programs you think goes to people who don’t work at all because they choose not to work.
By steve on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Joe please, stay focused.
The members at Bring It On will tell you left and right how they support the Iraqi people and their freedom but they won’t tell you HOW they support the Iraqi people and their freedom.
And if that’s not redundant I don’t know what is…
Point being, BIO and their Godless leader Bastard think by posting a criticism of every Bush move, whether or not Rove farted in the Grand Jury room or some stupid AP poll showing Bush “way behind” if the election were today or some stupid leftist derivitive of that poll they are actually helping the Iraqi people and the War on Terror. Maybe y’all wanna think about it before for calling Treason and I blind GOP zombies or whatever you creative kids are gonna think of next. If blindness equals common sense than you can call me Stevie Wonder.
And nobody really gives a rats ass Jersey if you want to make a mockery of the Iraqi constitution. It’s the lamest thing I have seen on this site since you know who’s comments towards me. Bottom line, posts like this are pretty uninformative and do nothing to show progress. You guys are progressive, right? Start acting like it. Show some “SOLUTIONS” to the problems you think we have.
By steve on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
To add to that:
I mean seriously,
BIO’s solution #1 to Iraqi Freedom problem:
“Bring all troops home and remove Bush from office”
BIO’s solution #2 to help Iraqis:
“Hall Karl Rove’s ass into court and remove Bush from office”
BIO’s solution #3 to help Iraqis:
“Let Terri Schiavo die and remove Bush from office”
BIO’s solution #4 to help Iraqis:
“Ask the same question from a defense position to Treason and Steve, which is, “So, are you just blind followers of the GOP?” and then remove Bush from office”
BIO’s solution #5 to help Iraqi People:
“Tell us how, originally, you were for the war before but now….(Enter Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove made up lie here)” and then remove Bush from office”
Can I keep going this is kinda fun…
Watch the posts now about how insensitive I am!!!
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Steve, cry me a river, please!
Everything you mentioned above are problems that were created, well, by everyone you mentioned above so of course the solution would require some of them being removed from office.
Thanks for making me the designated driver on the site,I’m flattered, but it’s more like safety in numbers because we all work together and discuss this stuff til we are blue in the face. (Cranky actually started it, arrest him first).
And as far as the war was concerned, yeah I was for it, because I was lied too.
And ultimately I would like the troops pulled out but that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon.
Does that mean I just sit back and accept that fact? No.
That means I keep pressuring to have a time frame of when these men and woman are coming home.
If no one did that trust me, they would be there for a very long time. Shit, if no one did it in the sixities we would still be fighting Vietnam. It’s called holding your elected officials accountable. It’s called checks and balances.
As for the Iraqi Constitution, it is a fucking joke!
You all like to say how the Iraq constitution was drawn up faster than both Germany’s and Japan’s new constitutions. Well duh! Of course it was, that’s because we didn’t let them sign off on something until certain unalienable rights were guaranteed to everyone. Shit, Truman got so frustrated at one point he was gonna write the damn thing himself and have them sign it.
Not so in Iraq, the whole thing, like everything else in Iraq has been treated as some type of McDemocracy.
“Ummm yeah, I’ll take the #2 democracy and supersize it.
“Iran, stop that before I smack you!”
“Do you want the #3 or the #4 democracy? #4 comes with a side of theocracy….”
“OK….we’ll also have a #4 but hold the freedom”
It’s a fucking joke!
Which leads back to the solution beginning with this whole fucking administration stepping aside so that the grown ups can come in and clean up the mess.
By steve on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Editors note: Steve wasn’t crying.
Yeah and back to the solution again… what is it? Remove people from office… ok, then what… “Clean up the mess…” Ok, starting where, what would you do? Stay the course??? Risk lives of troops on a pull out?
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Well, steve, I’m obviously not an expert but I think I can draw one conclusion out of this. Since you are insisting on a solution I am “assuming” that you admit there is a problem?
Listen, I’ll gather my cabinet tonight and have a 7 point plan for you in draft form by tomorrow morning.
So far you’re grilling us for solutions, maybe you should be asking “them” why we are there in the first place. Never seemed to get a straight answer from them to begin with.
And after we pull out I think we should cut them a very big check for damages and call it a day. Isn’t that the American way?
No matter how you look at it steve there is no real solution. The country is on the verge of civil war, if not already engaged in it. So no matter when we pull out skip loads of people are gonna die. I’d rather have our boys die here of natural causes then over there because some schmuck in the White House decided that we couldn’t fight terrorists in Afghanistan so we had to invade another sovereign nation and fight them there. Is the ground softer or something in Iraq? I would have thunk that the terrorists would have found their way very easily to Afghanistan (considering that is where they came from).
I know one thing though, I doubt that if we had contained the war on terror to Afghanistan you wouldn’t see Iraqi’s jumping on jet planes to go fight in Afghanistan.
By Joe Snitty on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Two things, Steve.
1. As long as Treason’s going to toss out the indefensible generalities and Limbaugh-inspired fantasies that form the backbone of some conservatives’ views, I’m going to call him on them.
2. Like I told you the last time I heard you start this “Where are the solutions?” nonsense, I’m all about solutions. I have four words for you: Recall Bush; Elect Clark.
By steve on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Must go to bed…
Um.. As far as what ya just said Bastard, you are absolutely right, terrorists would not have boarded planes in Iraq and flown to Afghanistan. There was a no fly zone in Iraq restricting international flights!!! I know I should quote a better source than the USA today but, then again, it’s been a long day.
Hey Joe, ok…. let me see(Hey Joe is my favorite song by the way)um… you want to recall Bush, sending this country into more turmoil and costing us tax payers a enormous amount of money in the hopes of electing Clark?? Not just directly replacing Bush with Clark but electing him… Electing him?? With an election…? Wow!! Amibitious aren’t we? This country would first allow Bush to be recalled and then have an election where Clark is elected in a close race? Sorry, you didn’t exactly say close race I am totally embellishing that but wow, that is an AWESOME solution narrowed down to those 4 words!!! Unbelievable. That’s like saying Houston advances to the World Series and not telling us how they won it. Who hit homeruns? Who won game 5… you get my point. The point being, so you have Clark in position, what’s he gonna do? You know… you are trying to convince me, Joe Voter, who doesn’t know shit why I should first want a recall and why Clark would come ride in on his white horse and save the day!!! You guys live in a dream world, I swear…
(Gonna hide under the desk now)
By Jimmy on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
Hey Bastard if you are gathering a cabinet tonight, can I be appointed as the Secretary of Beer and Bikinis and as Ambassador to Norway and Sweden?
But in all seriousness friends… I fear that the only way to get out of this disaster in Iraq is to FULLY commit. I hate to say it, I certainly do not want to see it, but I feel that the only way that we will be able to completely reign in the chaos would be the addition of, oh, say 600,000-800,000 troops MINIMUM on the ground, in country. So we would have to bring back the draft.
I know, I know, shades of Vietnam and all of that… but we have to stop doing things so half-assed. Was the war in Iraq a grave mistake? I think so, yes. Perhaps one of the greatest military blunders. I have always thought so. But now unfortunately we are committed. America has to take responsibility for its decisions, as poor and as ill-concieved and as shoddily executed as they may have been, and see things through.
The hard question is: How much blood do you want to see, America? How much blood can you stomach? Are you willing to take this all the way? The table has been set, The Reaper is toiling in the kitchen, and guess what’s for dinner?
Perhaps the only way that things will get better is if things get absolutely, catastrophically, horrifically worse. And I hope with all my spirit that it does not.
/just sayin’.
//Goddammit I am so pissed-off that we are in this situation in Iraq to begin with.
By The Bastard on Oct 18, 2005 | Reply
With that said, I step down as head of the cabinet, Jimmy you are in charge, where is the beer?
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Let’s take a quick peek at this “constitution” that Steve seems to think I am mocking…
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PREAMBLE
In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
“Verily we have honored the children of Adam” (Quran 17:70)…
Recognizing God’s right upon us; obeying the call of our nation and our citizens; responding to the call of our religious and national leaders and the insistence of our great religious authorities and our leaders and our reformers, we went by the millions for the first time in our history to the ballot box, men and women, young and old, on Jan. 30, 2005, remembering the pains of the despotic band’s sectarian oppression of the majority; …
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Don’t they mean “secular” oppression? That, my friends, is the Rhetorical Bait ‘n Switch in action.
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…so we can create a new Iraq, Iraq of the future, without sectarianism, racial strife, regionalism, discrimination or isolation. …
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Oh, yeah, right…
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CHAPTER ONE: BASIC PRINCIPLES
… Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation:
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam.
(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.
(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution. …
How to contradict yourself in three easy lessons…
… 2nd — This constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices. …
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Oh, this is great! Right, Steve? Treason? Snuffaluffagus?
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PART ONE: RIGHTS
FIRST: Civil and political rights.
… Article (17):
1st — Each person has the right to personal privacy as long as it does not violate the rights of others or general morality.
Article (19):
… 12th —
(a) (Arbitrary) detention shall not be allowed.
(b) Arrest or imprisonment is not allowed in places other than those designated for that according to prison laws that are covered by health and social services and are under the control of the state.
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Hey, well, they’re ahead of us on these two, huh?
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SECOND: Economic, social and cultural rights
Article (29):
1st—
(a) The family is the foundation of society and the state should preserve its (the family’s) existence and ethical and religious value.
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Sound familiar?
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Article (30):
1st — The state guarantees social and health insurance, the basics for a free and honorable life for the individual and the family — especially children and women — and works to protect them from illiteracy, fear and poverty and provides them with housing and the means to rehabilitate and take care of them. This shall be regulated by law.
…
Article (34):
1st — Education is a main factor for the progress of society and it is a right guaranteed by the state. It is mandatory in the primary school and the state guarantees fighting illiteracy.
2nd — Free education is a right for Iraqis in all its stages.
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They’re actually WAY ahead of us on these - as is most every modern democracy.
Really, though, you guys should actually read the text. It’s a bit long, for a constitution, but there are some serious contradictions and flaws, as well as blatant federalist sectarianism. You have to face it, Steve, Treason, et al - all of your ideologies are proven failures. Federalism, theocracy, guns everywhere, privatization of state functions - it just goes on and on. Ya’ know, perhaps you guys, since you hate Americans so much and blame all your problems on the powerless and poor, should move to Iraq! Have fun! Bon Voyag-ee! Look out for those packages on the side of the road!
By Joe Snitty on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Well, Steve, I was kind of hoping that elves and leprechauns would take care of all that messy stuff in the middle. But in all seriousness, a good first step to enacting a solution is to name the solution, don’t you think?
Another is being willing to acknowledge the gross incompetence of the current administration, especially in foreign affairs. I didn’t like a lot of things that we did under Bush Sr. Same goes for Clinton. But I never once thought that either of those administrations was totally out of its depth and floundering. But John Bolton being given a recess appointment to the UN? I mean, WTF?
As far as describing how and why I think Clark would do a far better job in resolving the quagmire in Iraq, I believe that his own words serve better than anything I might paraphrase — which is why my last message included a link to his site.
And as far as the cost of a recall election goes, yes, it’s significant. Have you been paying attention to state of the economy, though? We recently had a balanced budget. We now have a gushing arterial wound called IRAQ.
Let me ask you this, since you seem to like metaphors: If a storm blew the roof off of your house, would it make more sense to pay a lot of money to put on a new roof, or deny that there was a problem, buy new furniture and fix the walls and floors every time it rained? The Bush administration is that missing roof.
By steve on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Jersey why do you have to go and be a dick head and question my patriotism by stating that I hate Americans. I never one questioned your love for America or patriotism here. Continue that tone and what you say amounts to complete bullshit. And thanks for cutting and pasting sections of the Iraqi Constitution and pointing out parts that fit your agenda. It’s you that hates democracy. It’s you that wants America to fail there. It’s you that wants to see the Iraqis fail. Not the rest of us. And what is my ideology you speak of that has failed so bad?
By Jersey Mcjones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Steve, easy there, man. Have a Cappucino and relax. If you don’t see the failures of your ideology at play in Iraq, then that explains what you don’t see here at home either. Thanks for the clarification!
By Treason on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Joe wrote: “Two things, Steve.
1. As long as Treason’s going to toss out the indefensible generalities and Limbaugh-inspired fantasies that form the backbone of some conservatives’ views, I’m going to call him on them.”
Joe, I’m only going to repeat what Steve said in a posted comment above. Don’t give me this shit about “indefensible generalities” etc… do you see anyone commenting about anything to do with “today’s post, The Iraqi Constitution - Fun in the Sun in the Cradle (and Death Bed) of Civilization” for yesterday? NO! Even though I do like you and don’t take this as personal as it going to seem but it was a dumb ass post. Let’s just try leaving it at that and move on. Steve did hit the nail on the head though y’all have no, and I mean no, solutions.
Jimmy, I like your solution whether or not someone is for the war or not. When you go to war you go to win not fight half ass.
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Gee Treason, I like what you just said,
Why the fuck didn’t Bush listen to his commanders in the first fucking place. Oh I’m sure you have some excuse for it. We couldn’t round up enough poor people or something to put 600,000 troops on the ground.
Lets here it.
BUSH FUCKED UP!!!!!
He can’t even conduct a fucking war. But we should have known that from him driving his baseball team right into the ground.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
War on the Cheap was a politically expedient way of pursuing what was a misguided policy in the first place. The fact is, for all the bragging about “winning” that we hear from the Right, they barely won anything - if at all. Bush and the GOP lack the political capital to fight a real war, with real troop levels, and real money. So they go in without the men, armor, money, and support.
Good job “conservative” voters, you screwed us again.
By steve on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Just remember there are more of us than you…
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Yeah 1%!!!!!
Just remember, the Hell’s Angels have a club called the 1%’ers.
By Treason on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
No Bastard, more troops weren’t and aren’t the solution. There isn’t any fucking perfect war. But I tell you what, you’re nothing but a Monday morning quarterback on issue after issue! I’ve gotta hand it to you liberals and BIO! you all are the fucking god damn best monday morning quarterbacks I’ve ever ran into! Problem is you guys have never won a fucking game on Sunday! Get used to it LOSERS!
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
So, Treason, you think is perfect on Bush’s watch?
Not one constructive criticism of Bush and the war?
All is perfect?
Nothing you see wrong?
Nothing we might have done better in light of new information like a civil war emerging or old news like there were no WMD’s?
We might be losers and Monday morning quarterbacks but some how I feel you could give two shits about the guys dying over there. Nor do you give two shits about how to get them out.
Sure let the administration handle it, they know best.
Got news for you, they are all under endictment or on their way. Still trust them?
One indictment is a bad apple, more than three is called corrupt!!!
Get a grip, stop playing devils advocate because I really don’t belive you are that stupid.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Steve, I don’t have to remember. Everytime I watch Jerry Springer I’m reminded.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Actually Treason, if you cons had the capacity for memory, you’d know that all of us predicted everything that’s happened so far and all of us wanted more troops if we were going in, before the war. You’re losing credibility along this line.
By steve on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Bullshit Jersey, you didn’t predict shit. Nice Jerry Springer crack, are you implying that Treason and I are white trash losers, with dozens of illegitimate children, that suck the life out of this country by living on welfare.
You created the mess with your socialist programs like public education and welfare but that would be further off subject than you have already taken us.
I still love the defensiveness in your tone, especially a few posts up where you say we hate Americans. Nice going invertabrae. Try developing a backbone and walk out of the sea with some “intelligent design”.
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Down with public education!!!!! Who needs it? God will lead the way, you’ll see!!!
So tell me, whose God is better Alla or God?
Seems to me it is gonna come down to 2 seconds on the clock and a shot at a field goal.
Give me a fucking break steve!!!
Pressing us for solutions to current problems? I would love to see where your statistics are on the poor sucking us dry.
Try pointing your finger in the other direction and asking why the energy sector is making money hand over foot.
Oh yeah, it’s because they deserve it.
Believe it or not steve a democracy is based on a equal distibution of wealth and while you keep blaming the poor for sucking you dry the rich keep plugging you up the ass.
The poor wouldn’t be so poor if they were educated but some how you think they are smart enough to rob you blind.
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
The welfare state in America is a drop in the bucket compared to most other nations. It’s tiny. They don’t “suck” out much of anything. The Springer crack was not necessarily pointed at you (though you did react a bit over-defensively…), but I meant it. Most of the GOP base is dumb, white, hick morons. As for hating Americans - that’s exactly what you guys do:
Failure at war? Blame the protestors.
Failure at managing the national coffers? Blame the poor.
Failure at providing healthcare to the people? Blame insurance claimants.
Failure at education? Blame the teachers.
Failure at maintaining the family unit? Blame the gays.
Failure, failure, failure - blame, blame, blame.
Accountability for everyone but yourselves.
Pathetic.
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Oh and by the way, the chances of you making it as rich as the oil companies is about as good as Trixter (rock group) packing a stadium tomorrow.
Dude you are defending people that don’t much give a fuck about about the monatary distribution in this country. They care about you emptying your wallet into their couffers.
Don’t beleive me?
Go write a letter to Lee Iaccoa and ask him if you can borrow some money because you defended the laws that protect him and you just need to provide a roof over you families head.
I will guarantee you he will tell you to call Snoop Dogg who will in turn tell you to go suck his fizzle in the dizzle.
That is how much of a chance you have of becoming rich……Can you rap?
By Treason on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Jersey and Bastard the only people I ever blame are losers like yourselves that enable others to continue to be losers.
Jersey - Bastard
Who owns the Presidency?
Who owns the Senate?
Who owns the Congress?
Yeah, thought so. Shut the fuck up while we run this country you bunch of backward pieces of shit. You guys don’t have a say in shit.
By The Bastard on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Umm, OK, sorry massa!!! Need your shoes shined? Bite me!
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Jeez Treason, what’s in your anal canal?
Who “owns” the estates of gov’t? Good way of putting that question! Oh, someone “owns” it alright - and apparently owns your dumb ass too…
By Treason on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Jersey and Bastards I Love you guys! Maybe someday you two, Steve, Ottman, and myself can rent out a bar and have a shit load of fun going at it. I just hate your ideas but I can live with that!
Hugs and kisses
Teasing Treason
By Jersey McJones on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
To alcohol - the cause of and solution to all of life’s problems! (Homer Simpson)
I knew that Treaser was a Teaser!
By steve on Oct 19, 2005 | Reply
Jersey, I am very much accountable for myself thank you. No… please, seriously I got it. I don’t need a hand out. I don’t need free medical care. Self suffcient here… No worries!
By Jersey McJones on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Steve, a liberal is a person who is smart enough, and humble enough, to know that life is roughly half luck and half what you make of it. You may think you are the product of only your own actions. You are wrong.
By steve on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
What the hell was that Jersey? Half luck? So what are you saying luck is? Divine intervention?!? A higher power? Do you believe in luck Jersey? Do you believe in luck but not God? Can you prove what luck is? Liberals are smarter than that? Are you really a liberal? Dude, and then you also say a liberal is “smart enough and humble enough” with that half luck bullshit? Yeah we all know Stuart Smalley has got a radio program; I don’t listen to it. So what you are saying for example then is poverty, criminal behavior and heavy heroin use is half luck? Ask a heroin addict if he feels “half lucky”. Then your next sentence: “You may think you are the product of only your own actions” Ok then Captain Herbal Man, what the hell are we then? Creations of God or a higher power? You are not serious are you?
By Jersey McJones on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Steve, only an arrogant fool believes that life is purely of their own making. “Luck” is simply those things you have no control over. Who you are bron to, for example. Whether you contract some wierd ailment. Whether and elephant escapes from the zoo and stomps you to death. These things are luck driven. Some people are luckier than others, but all in all, life is about half luck and half what you make of it. A smart and humble person realizes this and therefore is more empathetic to the less lucky. An arrogant person blames the unlucky individual for their unlucky lot, discounting the luck of said individual.
Conservatives, by nature, lack imagination. That’s why there are so few conservatives in the creative arts, or academia. That’s why conservatives can’t imagine themselves in another’s shoes. They can’t imagine someone else having bad luck.
Am I going over your head here?
By Jimmy on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Interesting comments here Jersey. I have to say that I agree. I do not think I would be the same person if my soul were born to a single mother in Gary, Indiana or on the East side of Cleveland. Or to parents in Cambodia, or someplace like Somalia.
Really, if you think about it, we are all just a few poor decisions/misfortunes away from destitution.
Brings to mind the quote:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
By The Bastard on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Oh God, there goes the God thing again!!! I am at best an agnostic and believe that something created us but to think that that something actually cares about each and every one of us means I would have to go back and read the Cantebury Tales and figure out how much I have to give to the church to find myself in the good graces of the men that created the church.
Makes sense?
By Jersey McJones on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Right Jimmy! Think of God as Luck (in the Book of Job sense…)…
By Jersey McJones on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
If there’s a God of Abraham I’d rather go to hell.
By Jimmy on Oct 20, 2005 | Reply
Actually, I was thinking “God” more along the lines of the Great Old One Cthulhu, and our utter insignifigance in a meaningless universe.
“ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.”
I think it is time for me to stop reading HP Lovecraft now….