How Much More Proof Do You Need? Iraq Lies!
March 27th, 2006 | by Paul Merda |The NYT reports on the British Memo that proves Dear Leader and Mr. Blair lied about WMD’s. In fact, they didn’t really care if there was WMD’s in Iraq, they were going in anyway. Since when is it a “moral value” to lie; to lie about one of the most costly endevours a country can engage in, in both human and dollar terms? How can 1/3 of our Country still support these guys?
12 Responses to “How Much More Proof Do You Need? Iraq Lies!”
By ChosenOne on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
LP, it’s from the NYT’s! There just so fair and balanced now aren’t they! I’m sure they will be retracting two or three more stories this week that they lied about.
By Ann on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
I don’t know how many more memo’s it’s going to take to prove to the American people that these guys were going to war with Iraq years ago (see the PNAC’s Rebuilding America’s Defenses, for a start). By the way, this particular memo came to light in the UK TWO MONTHS ago, and was reported on Channel 4 News. You can see the video here http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/7418
By steve on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
Who cares if they were planning to go to war years before? I don’t. Chosen do you? Kevin? John?
Granted there are a handful of other tyrants like Saddam who equally need to have their country overrun but which one should we have picked?
By Paul Watson, Cranky Brit on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
Let me see if I’ve got this straight: Bill Clinton lies about sex. No one dies. He should be impeached.
George Bush lies about Iraq. 200 American soldiers, 100 British soldiers, 30000+ Iraqis die. That’s fine.
Please explain, as it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
By Ann on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
That’ll just be the four of you then?? Four strapping young berks, sorry, blokes, on the next flight to Iraq ready to leave their families and swap places with four guys who know they shouldn’t be there, great - someone let LAW know her bloke may be able to come home. Thanks for volunteering guys, your administration is looking for fellas just like you, to do all their, a-hem, ‘global policing’ for them. And, don’t worry, Steve, IF you make it back in one piece, I’m sure there’ll always be a job waiting for you - guarding all the lovely lolly they made whilst you’re wife went into labour, alone.
(Hope you’re family can manage to send you enough ammo whilst you’re there - oooh, and don’t forget your protective gear, don’t want you losing any important bits unnecessarily, do we??)
By ken grandlund on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
“How can 1/3 of our Country still support these guys? “
Paul- That’s kind of like asking why the clam doesn’t run away from the shovel. Either they have no sense of the danger lurking above, or (As Steve and Chosen One illustrate) they simply don’t care about anything but keeping cozy in their own little pile of sand.
The odd thing is that if conservatives are so gung ho about GWB, why are so many Republican pol’s up for reelection shying away from connecting themselves to this administration? They may be able to distance themselves from Bush per se, but as enablers of his rotten agenda, they are just as culpable. And voters need to be reminded of this often and loudly. We may not convince all those clams out there, but some of them may yet come around.
By Howard Roberts on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
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A Seven-point plan for an Exit Strategy in Iraq
1) A timetable for the complete withdrawal of American and British forces
must be announced.
I envision the following procedure, but suitable fine-tuning can be
applied by all the people involved.
A) A ceasefire should be offered by the Occupying side to
representatives of both the Sunni insurgency and the Shiite community. These
representatives would be guaranteed safe passage, to any meetings. The
individual insurgency groups would designate who would attend.
At this meeting a written document declaring a one-month ceasefire,
witnessed by a United Nations authority, will be fashioned and eventually
signed. This document will be released in full, to all Iraqi newspapers, the
foreign press, and the Internet.
B) US and British command will make public its withdrawal, within
sixth-months of 80 % of their troops.
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effectiveness of the ceasefire.
All incidences on both sides will be reported.
D) Combined representative armed forces of both the Occupying
nations and the insurgency organizations that agreed to the cease fire will
protect the Iraqi people from actions by terrorist cells.
E) Combined representative armed forces from both the Occupying
nations and the insurgency organizations will begin creating a new military
and police force. Those who served, without extenuating circumstances, in
the previous Iraqi military or police, will be given the first option to
serve.
F) After the second month of the ceasefire, and thereafter, in
increments of 10-20% ,a total of 80% will be withdrawn, to enclaves in Qatar
and Bahrain. The governments of these countries will work out a temporary
land-lease housing arrangement for these troops. During the time the troops
will be in these countries they will not stand down, and can be re-activated
in the theater, if the chain of the command still in Iraq, the newly
formed Iraqi military, the leaders of the insurgency, and two international
ombudsman (one from the Arab League, one from the United Nations), as a
majority, deem it necessary.
G) One-half of those troops in enclaves will leave three-months after they
arrive, for the United States or other locations, not including Iraq.
H) The other half of the troops in enclaves will leave after
six-months.
I) The remaining 20 % of the Occupying troops will, during this six
month interval, be used as peace-keepers, and will work with all the
designated organizations, to aid in reconstruction and nation-building.
J) After four months they will be moved to enclaves in the above
mentioned countries.
They will remain, still active, for two month, until their return to
the States, Britain and the other involved nations.
2) At the beginning of this period the United States will file a letter with
the Secretary General of the Security Council of the United Nations, making
null and void all written and proscribed orders by the CPA, under R. Paul
Bremer. This will be announced and duly noted.
3) At the beginning of this period all contracts signed by foreign countries
will be considered in abeyance until a system of fair bidding, by both
Iraqi and foreign countries, will be implemented ,by an interim Productivity
and Investment Board, chosen from pertinent sectors of the Iraqi economy.
Local representatives of the 18 provinces of Iraq will put this board
together, in local elections.
4) At the beginning of this period, the United Nations will declare that
Iraq is a sovereign state again, and will be forming a Union of 18
autonomous regions. Each region will, with the help of international
experts, and local bureaucrats, do a census as a first step toward the
creation of a municipal government for all 18 provinces. After the census, a
voting roll will be completed. Any group that gets a list of 15% of the
names on this census will be able to nominate a slate of representatives.
When all the parties have chosen their slates, a period of one-month will be
allowed for campaigning.
Then in a popular election the group with the most votes will represent that
province.
When the voters choose a slate, they will also be asked to choose five
individual members of any of the slates.
The individuals who have the five highest vote counts will represent a
National government.
This whole process, in every province, will be watched by international
observers as well as the local bureaucrats.
During this process of local elections, a central governing board, made up
of United Nations, election governing experts, insurgency organizations, US
and British peacekeepers, and Arab league representatives, will assume the
temporary duties of administering Baghdad, and the central duties of
governing.
When the ninety representatives are elected they will assume the legislative
duties of Iraq for two years.
Within three months the parties that have at least 15% of the
representatives will nominate candidates for President and Prime Minister.
A national wide election for these offices will be held within three months
from their nomination.
The President and the Vice President and the Prime Minister will choose
their cabinet, after the election.
5) All debts accrued by Iraq will be rescheduled to begin payment, on the
principal after one year, and on the interest after two years. If Iraq is
able to handle another loan during this period she should be given a grace
period of two years, from the taking of the loan, to comply with any
structural adjustments.
6) The United States and the United Kingdom shall pay Iraq reparations for
its invasion in the total of 120 billion dollars over a period of twenty
years for damages to its infrastructure. This money can be defrayed as
investment, if the return does not exceed 6.5 %.
7) During the beginning period Saddam Hussein and any other prisoners who
are deemed by a Council of Iraqi Judges, elected by the National
representative body, as having committed crimes will be put up for trial.
The trial of Saddam Hussein will be before seven judges, chosen from this
Council of Judges.
One judge, one jury, again chosen by this Council, will try all other
prisoners.
All defendants will have the right to present any evidence they want, and to
choose freely their own lawyers.
By windspike on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
The thing that strikes me as the fundamental difference between LP’s W, Rove and Co supporters and those who think we have made a horrible mistake by invading Iraq is as follows. One there are people who want and demand the truth. And, two, there are those who don’t care. Which camp you are in says a whole lot about who you are as a person.
The NYTimes article is irrelevant becuase if you look to find answers from the very administration instead of relying on the MSM, you get the serious run around and more obfuscation than Saddam in his trial. He must have taken lessons from his replican handlers.
If there is a truth that might be different than the espoused “facts,” don’t you want to know? I do. What if the NYTimes is right instead of hypothetically wrong as Steve suggests? And don’t you want to find out for sure?
By windspike on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
P.S. Sorry for the typos. I was typing this with my two year old son on my lap.
blog on all.
By bushleaguer13 on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
Those Sadaam tapes are great to listen to. They proove you lied.
By noodlehead on Mar 27, 2006 | Reply
IRAQFILES - Overview
http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/iraq_files/
WHERE DID THE WMD GO?
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004383.htm
Saddams Secrets…
http://savethesoldiers.com/j/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=198&Itemid=90
SADDAM AND AL-QAEDA- More Evidence of their relationship
http://savethesoldiers.com/j/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202&Itemid=89
There is some good reading assignments….
By bushleaguer13 on Mar 28, 2006 | Reply
All look like credible sites.