What should the Pope apologize for, exactly? For quoting a fourteenth century writing that noted the connection between Islam and violence? The connection between Islam and violence can be judged from the reaction to the Pope’s speech (one nun murdered and seven churches firebombed and one Pope placed under Islamic approved death sentence), the reaction to Muhammad cartoons (embassies burned, violent riots in which people are shot dead and anyone who dares to insult the Prophet threatened with death), the reaction to the publication of The Satanic Verses (the author having to live the rest of his life under the threat of murder), the production of a film critical of the treatment of women (the filmmaker shot and his head nearly severed and a lengthy screed pinned to his body with a knife).
I don’t discount a word you’re saying, but I didn’t say he should apologize. He can say whatever he wants. He and his spokespeople said he apologized, but the wording of the “apology”…not so apologetic. That was the point of the satire.
Be that as it may, you’ll also note that I poked fun at the Muslims. I believe in equal opportunity ridicule. To me, both sides have issues that give me a giant pain in the ass and I don’t look kindly on either of them.
I find it interesting you didn’t comment on the picture of the Muslims and that you neglected to mention the violence Christians have commited in the name of their religion over the centuries, but I can see how that could slip your mind.
I’d personally be happier if Muslims stood up to stop or at least decry the violence created in the name of their religion, but they don’t. Stupid and self-righteous, it’s true, but there you have it.
I’d have been much happier if the Popester hadn’t poked the surly badgers with a stick since tensions are already so high, but he went ahead and did it anyway and you quite correctly pointed out all the peace and understanding that resulted in.
So life goes on. Pundits punt. Preachers preach. Mullahs jihad. The sun rises and sets. Both sides are equally insane.
But you know what I’d REALLY like? I’d like God to come on down and have a talk with some of the people who so freely kill each other in his name. Somehow I’m thinking that’s not really what he had in mind when he threw the place together.
You’ve done admirably at covering both sides of the issue, and no you didn’t say he should have apologized. I wasn’t really criticizing your post but really just wondering why he should have apologized at all and the question was for anyone who wished to respond.
I didn’t comment on pictures because, I confess, I didn’t click the links. I was familiar with the Papal non-apology apology. It occurred to me to ask why any sort of apology should have been either demanded or given so I asked.
I have, in recently past threads, commented on the violence by Christians in their history and pointed out that the church put that part of it’s history quite in the past some time ago. It ddn’t slip my mind. I just don’t think it necessary to mention it every time I comment on Muslim violence. I acknowledge it, accept it, deplore it and leave it where it belongs: in the past.
War may not have been what God had in mind when he threw the place together but, given the nature of man, the possibility could not have failed to escape his notice. I call on him regularly but he doesn’t seem disposed to so personally interpose his will upon us; not yet, at least.
Maybe He’s just waiting to see which religion wins before revealing himself in the appropriate form. No one wants to be associated with the losing side, do they? Boy, will He be surprised if the Bhuddists, who don’t believe in a God, become the last religion standing?
Well, I’m still holding out for His appearing in the sky, with the sound of trumpets, with all his angels but, well, we’ll all just have to wait and see, won’t we?
5 Responses to “As We See It: The Pontification Edition”
By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2006 | Reply
What should the Pope apologize for, exactly? For quoting a fourteenth century writing that noted the connection between Islam and violence? The connection between Islam and violence can be judged from the reaction to the Pope’s speech (one nun murdered and seven churches firebombed and one Pope placed under Islamic approved death sentence), the reaction to Muhammad cartoons (embassies burned, violent riots in which people are shot dead and anyone who dares to insult the Prophet threatened with death), the reaction to the publication of The Satanic Verses (the author having to live the rest of his life under the threat of murder), the production of a film critical of the treatment of women (the filmmaker shot and his head nearly severed and a lengthy screed pinned to his body with a knife).
It’s not the Pope who should apologize.
By Omnipotent Poobah on Sep 23, 2006 | Reply
Craig,
I don’t discount a word you’re saying, but I didn’t say he should apologize. He can say whatever he wants. He and his spokespeople said he apologized, but the wording of the “apology”…not so apologetic. That was the point of the satire.
Be that as it may, you’ll also note that I poked fun at the Muslims. I believe in equal opportunity ridicule. To me, both sides have issues that give me a giant pain in the ass and I don’t look kindly on either of them.
I find it interesting you didn’t comment on the picture of the Muslims and that you neglected to mention the violence Christians have commited in the name of their religion over the centuries, but I can see how that could slip your mind.
I’d personally be happier if Muslims stood up to stop or at least decry the violence created in the name of their religion, but they don’t. Stupid and self-righteous, it’s true, but there you have it.
I’d have been much happier if the Popester hadn’t poked the surly badgers with a stick since tensions are already so high, but he went ahead and did it anyway and you quite correctly pointed out all the peace and understanding that resulted in.
So life goes on. Pundits punt. Preachers preach. Mullahs jihad. The sun rises and sets. Both sides are equally insane.
But you know what I’d REALLY like? I’d like God to come on down and have a talk with some of the people who so freely kill each other in his name. Somehow I’m thinking that’s not really what he had in mind when he threw the place together.
Would you like to call him, or should I?
By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2006 | Reply
Omnipotent,
You’ve done admirably at covering both sides of the issue, and no you didn’t say he should have apologized. I wasn’t really criticizing your post but really just wondering why he should have apologized at all and the question was for anyone who wished to respond.
I didn’t comment on pictures because, I confess, I didn’t click the links. I was familiar with the Papal non-apology apology. It occurred to me to ask why any sort of apology should have been either demanded or given so I asked.
I have, in recently past threads, commented on the violence by Christians in their history and pointed out that the church put that part of it’s history quite in the past some time ago. It ddn’t slip my mind. I just don’t think it necessary to mention it every time I comment on Muslim violence. I acknowledge it, accept it, deplore it and leave it where it belongs: in the past.
War may not have been what God had in mind when he threw the place together but, given the nature of man, the possibility could not have failed to escape his notice. I call on him regularly but he doesn’t seem disposed to so personally interpose his will upon us; not yet, at least.
By Paul Watson The Cranky Brit on Sep 24, 2006 | Reply
Craig,
Maybe He’s just waiting to see which religion wins before revealing himself in the appropriate form. No one wants to be associated with the losing side, do they? Boy, will He be surprised if the Bhuddists, who don’t believe in a God, become the last religion standing?
By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 24, 2006 | Reply
Well, I’m still holding out for His appearing in the sky, with the sound of trumpets, with all his angels but, well, we’ll all just have to wait and see, won’t we?