September 19th, 2006

Joe Republican

I found this in my inbox this morning. Nothing hurts like the truth.

“A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN”

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly- man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation costs because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or an unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the country would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state-funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax- payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.

The house didn’t have electricity until some big- government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberals made sure Dad could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of himself, just like I have.”-

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  1. liberal vet Says :

    Point well made. It just proves many conservatives soak up the commie benefits yet complain about liberalism. There was a time our government killed protestors en masse. Some conservatives apparently would like to return to those times. It was humorous as well Tom. LV


  2. Paul Merda Says :

    Great!!!!  The Conservatives would whine the most if all of those luxuries dissappeared…


  3. christopher Radulich Says :

    Here are some questions I’ve never gotten a good answer to

    1. Why would anyone want to be considered a conservative given the great conservative parties of the past - Tories, Confederate States of America, KKK, Know nothing party?

    2. Given that every republican since and including Reagan have totally betrayed conservative principles, why do they keep voting republican? Is it because they are too chicken to nominate a third party candidate?

    3. Exactly what have conservatives ever done for this country? Not universal suffrage, not civil rights, not the declaration of independence, not the constitution, not the bill of rights, not social security, not preparing for WWII, not the Marshall plan.


  4. Paul Merda Says :

    Conservatism is a failure.  The concept and its practice do not even remotely resemble each other.


  5. ken grandlund Says :

    This is great Tom. I’ll be copying, pasting, and sending this to everyone I know. I may even turn it into a giant poster and hang it in my home.

    Liberals make the world better for everyone. Conservatives just like to pretend they can do it all themselves.

    (C’mon all you rightie’s who comment here. Refute this post with all you’ve got!)


  6. tos Says :
  7. ken grandlund Says :

    Sorry tos- bigots and racists come in all political denominations. There are plenty of racist, bigoted Republicans out there too.  That doesn’t make it right by any means, but if my choice at the ballot box is a racist who will work for broad based benefits or a racist who will work only for the moneyed interest of the rich, I’ll take the first racist any day.

    Besides, how does any of that refute the main thrust of this post?


  8. tos Says :

    Why I don’t agree what he and I am sure alot of politicians do,Democrat and Republican,you also have alot of corruption in Unions. Like I mentioned in a previous post,I met 2 Union workers 2 weeks ago which one operates and elevator all day and makes 200,00 per year and the other manages clean ups at construction sites and makes 175,00 per year and alot of union jobs are given to people they know because maybe they invite them over for dinner once in a while. These 2 guys got these jobs from the outside because “a friend” got them those jobs. So the idea looks good on paper but like with Joe do you think it is fair that he benefits from it? Not because he is neccesarily republican but a politician. And by the way,he is very liberal except on one issue. Why should that one issue,which by the way alot of other democrats agreed on,be the deciding factor? Because he was the only one that ddin’t fip flop on the issue and act like the other democrats that pretended they never agreed on the war. Or would you prefer he lied like the rest of them?

     

     


  9. Tom Harper Says :

    This is excellent.  I hope you’ll cross-post this all over the place.


  10. Tom Baker Says :

    Oh TOS I’m sorry I forgot about the multitiude of Union workers making $175,000 - $200,000 a year doing very little work. How silly of me to forget thats a common thing. And here I thought all of those UAW members looking for new jobs should be pittied. I didn;t realize they probably all had huge stock reserves and golden parachutes.


  11. tos,

    They changed their mind when they found out what they thought they knew was wrong. Why is that a bad thing? If you burn yourself on a pan you thought was cold and it wasn’t, do you keep grabbing it?

    And this Joe isn’t Lieberman, it’s just an average American Republican and all the things he has because of evil Liberals. 


  12. Liberal Thinker Says :

    tos,

    there will always be exceptions to the rule. There will be some racist, homophobic, sexist liberals just as there are a collection of gay republicans. There will be high paid-low working union employees but that does not make them the norm. Most of your arguments now and in the past of tended to focus on the exceptions to the rule as invalidating the rule. Why not fight the argument on its merits; I know you are a conservative but I hope you are one of the exceptions to the rule when it comes to conservatives and logical debate. Furthermore, as I pointed out in the past, the ineffective or failed operation of a principle does not invalidate the principle. If Unions are run poorly that doesn’t mean they are bad things. There has been more good done by unions then bad. You wouldn’t get rid of a ‘63 Split-window vette because the engine wasn’t running at its best, would you?


  13. tos Says :

    “They changed their mind when they found out what they thought they knew was wrong. Why is that a bad thing? If you burn yourself on a pan you thought was cold and it wasn’t, do you keep grabbing it?”

    Paul-Changing their minds and denying they ever agreed to it or avoiding having to admit it are 2 different things. I haven’t heard one of them say I was one one of the ones that gave my okay and NOW see it was the wrong idea. Instead they act like they never agreed to it so they can say Bush lied and cherry picked the intelligence. Now what are the using Torture and Civil war. They agreed to go in so lets see what their solution is now instead of dodging around it and finger pointing.


  14. Tom Baker Says :

    Well uh, I supported the war because Bush lied and cherry picked information. What can I tell you. So if your fed a line of bullshit and give your OK based on that, what exactly are you supposed to say later? If you kid lies to you about where he’s going and then gets in trouble, are you going to say “well I know I would have never let you go there if you told the truth, but hey the lie doesn’t matter - I gave you permission?” Hell no, you’re going to beat that kid silly.


  15. Tom Baker Says :

    BTW folks, just to clarify, I didn’t write this, someone forwarded it to me but it needs passed around.


  16. Paul Merda Says :

    Simple facts tos, that’s all that was posted, now why can’t you answer this with a valid well-reasoned critique?  Because there isn’t one that’s why. 

    Keep voting GOP and watch as the Gilded Age comes back, watch as the middle-class is slowly, but methodically, destroyed.  And when you’re sitting there wondering why your grandchildren and children still live with you and yet all of you are hungry and no one is working for decent wages, you’ll know then that your vote counted exactly as you wanted and that you have everything you asked for and everything you deserve.  Keep giving the shop away, you, steve, Craig and all, go ahead.  Be careful though, you will get what you wish for… 

    Take a look at history, why is there Social Security, why OSHA, why the EPA, why Student Loans?  Because liberals recognized that taking a little more from the wealthy is a greater benefit to us all, not just the middle and lower class, but the upper class too.  See what the US was like at the turn of the 20th Century, why do you and your ilk want to take us back there?  I just don’t get it…


  17. tos Says :

    You know Paul in the 90’s the bottom half of wage earners were paying 3.9% of the taxes and now they are paying 3.1%. Fine if they want to do away with the wealthy tax cuts then I would like to see mine cut too. Because you know it’s the middle class under democrats who will be paying higher taxes because they are the ones who make up most the country.


  18. tos Says :

    “Well uh, I supported the war because Bush lied and cherry picked information. What can I tell you. So if your fed a line of bullshit and give your OK based on that, what exactly are you supposed to say later? If you kid lies to you about where he’s going and then gets in trouble, are you going to say “well I know I would have never let you go there if you told the truth, but hey the lie doesn’t matter - I gave you permission?” Hell no, you’re going to beat that kid silly. “

    Tom-Just because you say Bush lied doesn’t make it so. They all believed it and frankly alot of Iraq’s neighbors feared him because he had a goal to take over the middle east. I thought people in the Senate had a brain. Obviously not because Bush lied and they believed him. Lame.

    What do you think Bush was cooking up this plan about WMDs and decided to lie about it. He made the whole thing up? No one else was asying it except Bush.

    That comparison to your kids though is quite hillarious though.


  19. tos,

    You’ve done a pretty good job deflecting from the original post, now perhaps you’d care to respond to the actual post subject, namely that Republicans claim to hate the Liberal reforms but still use them and would be mightily pissed if they got taken away. 


  20. tos Says :

    Paul CB- The post was specifically about Joe Liberman who is a Liberal lest you forgot. So he has republican friends,doesn’t make him one.


  21. No, it wasn’t. Just because the words Joe and Republican are used in the same sentence doesn’t make it about Joe Lieberman. Next time try reading the whole post and not just the headline.


  22. Liberal Thinker Says :

    tos, please explain your post about the taxes. I’m not sure I understand. Are you suggesting that the bottom half (economically speaking) of the people in this country should pay the same as the top half, or something close?

    So if there are 10 people in a room; 1 makes $1mil/year; 2 make $500,000; 2 make over $100,000; 3 make 80,000; and the final 2 make under $35,000; and $50,000 in taxes are collected from this group then everyone over $100,000 with a total income of over $2,400,000 should pay $25,000 or average about 1% while everyone under $100,000, with a total income of less than 310,000 should pay the remaining 50,000 or averge about 16% taxes.

    Given that taxes to the lower middle and lower classes have not really been cut since the late 90’s your statistics say to me that the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. Even with the tax cuts to the richies they are still paying a higher percentage of the taxes brought in.

    Money doesn’t buy happiness and conservatives need to learn that. There is empirically no difference in happiness between 1million and 80million dollars. However the same is not true on the other side. There are certain minimums (determined by the society) to the price/happiness index. There is a major difference in the happiness of someone making less than $25,000 and one making over $50,000. So I suggest the way to evaluate taxes should be based on how much the tax actually hurts or helps one’s happiness. And as a number of studies have shown the taxes taken from the poor do FAR more damage to their happiness than the taxes from the rich.

     


  23. Jersey McJones Says :

    Exactly, LT.  A buck is worth more to a poor man than a rich one - and besides, the poor man will spend the dollar, from which the rich man gets a cut, but the rich man may well sit on the dollar, and then no one gets a cut. 

    JMJ


  24. ken grandlund Says :

    forget it tos…if you can’t make the distinction between “Joe Blow, Average American Republican” and “Joe Lieberman” who was never referenced or alluded to in any way, shape, or form, you’ll clearly in the wrong room on this one.


  25. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Thinker,

    Maybe you should use the correct figures:  In 2004 the bottom one-half of income earners paid only 3.3% of all federal income taxes and the majority of American families with incomes less than $40,000 pay no income taxes at all. In 2004 the top 1% of all income earners earned about 19% of all income and paid 36.9% of all income taxes.  The top 5% of income earners paid 57.1% of all income taxes.  The top 0.1% of income earners saw their share of total income taxes paid go from 15.4% to 17.4%. As for capitol gains taxes since Bush’s tax cuts the Federal Government has seen an increase of 79% in capital gains taxes, and 35% for taxes on dividends.  Just possibly the tax cuts were relatively fair.

    All the best


  26. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Mc Jones,

    Your comment; “but the rich man may well sit on the dollar, and then no one gets a cut.”, displays an interesting lack of economic knowledge.  Where do you think the funds come to start up businesses or to finance their growth?  How about the financing to buy a home?  Successful investors create jobs and improve the general economy for all.  Money is only dormant when you burry it in the ground otherwise it works to create more money and jobs.  

    All the best


  27. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Baker,

    Just a small adjustment in perception and an accurate picture appears

     Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because capitalist built a water purification plant which insured clean abundant water.  With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because a Republican President and congress passes laws to govern their production and sale. All of his medications are paid for by his health savings plan instituted by another Republican President. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because a Republican President and congress passes laws to govern their production and sale (are we seeing a trend here?).  In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because a Republican President and congress passes laws to govern their production and sale (don’t worry there is more).   Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because a Republican President, Nixon this time, got congress to pass the clean air act (boring isn’t it?).  He walks on the Tax payer-provided sidewalk to the Taxpayer provided subway station for his taxpayer-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation costs because he voted for the bond issue that paid for these utilities.  He also bought some of the bonds and is making money from their interest.  Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because Joe is a valued employee who is rewarded for his efforts appropriately. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want to loose his highly skilled work force to another employer since unemployment is at a record low. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get worker compensation or an unemployment check because he paid into a system of employment/health insurance. It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some bankers got together and pooled their funds to insure each other and guarantee Joe’s money.  Joe pays his home mortgage at his local bank which gives lower rates than Fanny-Mae.  He got an ROTC scholarship to go to college and is paying it off with service to his country.  He has been to Iraq and supports the war effort. He plans on using his GI benefits to continue his education.  He attended a Taxpayer-funded university. Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because American business responded to buyer demands for safer cars. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed the GI bill through the local bank. The house didn’t have electricity until the Rural Electrical Administration was funded by taxpayers to install it. He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on his investments since he could never make it on the little Social Security would pay.  Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He mentions that true conservatives have always fought to insure that his tax dollars are used efficiently. Joe agrees: “We would be a lot better if we had a single tax on spending instead of the multiple taxes on income” he says.  

    There isn’t that better?  All the best.


  28. Tom Baker Says :

    Mr Evers once again your figures are wrong. The top 1% did not earn 19% of the income, they hold 19% of all the wealth in this country. That is a substantial difference. The income I earned last year was spent on things like housing, food, clothing for my family. Some went into a retirement fund, some went into a savings account. Much went to pay for skyrocketing healthcare and the huge increase in fuel charges. My “wealth” from year to year has only increased marginally even though my income has increased by several percentage points. Owning nearly 20% of all wealth in this country means that 99 percent of us are left to fight over 81% of the remaining wealth before we even get started. So yeah I’m not to upset they paid more in taxes - they earned disproptiantely more as well. 

    Also, their rate of wealth accumulation has gone up. The amount of wealth the top 1% has accumulated has nearly doubled since 1981 (gee that year sounds like it might be important for some reason) while their share of taxes has of cource not “doubled.” 

     

    Your capitol gains information is correct as far as it goes, howeve ryou leave off the bit about wanting to abolish the capitol gains tax all together. This means that much of the additional income that the Republicans are crowing about at the moment would be gone if we had followed their lead. Also, the spike in gains may have less to do with the tax cuts and more to do with the hyper housing market and stock market “rebound.” It is, by any measure of history, an unpredictable and fickle source of income. 

    What cannot be debated is that real wages for most hourly workers in this country have not kept pace with real inflation. What is a fact is that the middle class is getting squeezed (working class family income has risen slightly because more people are working more hours, not because their hourly pay has gone up). What cannot be debated is that the rich are getting progressively richer and the rest of us are not. 


  29. Jersey McJones Says :

    H Evers, the wealthy are not great investors.  You believe in the thoroughly disproven and disregarded theory of Voo-Doo Economics, my good friend.  It takes a deeper understanding of economics to grasp beyond that tripe.  Read Small is Beautiful, for starters.  Then you can play economist all you like.  Besides, the best investment comes from the regular guy, not the wealthy.  When a bunch of regular guys put their money in the bank and that bank loans money to an entrepeneur, and that entrepeneur suceeds, then all boats rise.  But when it’s just some weathy guy throwing dollars around, the risks are higher, less is known of the entrepeneur and his product, anmd there’s less to gain for all.  Do you understand that?  

    JMJ


  30. ken grandlund Says :

    Evers-

    Actually, the tale in your conservative only ruled world would be more like this:

    In your version of the tale, you forget to note that the purification plant would have never been built without the laws passed making it mandatory. Else, the republican would have put his money into an offshore account to avoid taxes. You forgot that his medication would be just as safe and probably cheaper if he could have imported it from another country, but he can’t because the republican administration is too busy protecting the companies who made it from losing a profit. Note that this same company probably made the drugs he might have imported, thus they are no more unsafe than his more expensive tablets. You forgot that his breakfast was safe to eat and his shampoo was labeled so well because of legislators who didn’t cow to corporate donors but put the public interest ahead of the moneyed interests. Those republicans who sided with the liberals did so to maintain a facade of caring for the little guy in order to get re-elected. His fresh breath of air is courtesy of Nixon, maybe, but enforced and strengthened by subsequent liberal administrations and despite assaults on the Clean Air Act by republican legislators, has managed to stay fairly clean in most areas. His sidewalk and subsuduzed transportation are his to use because he voted for the bond to build them? More likely his Hummer is in the shop and his home developer paid for the sidewalks through developer fees. More likely he opposed the bond measures, but once passed, decided to make a few bucks by investing in the same bonds he originally opposed. Joe’s employer benefits are grudgingly afforded him by his employer after years of hard fought battles by the working men and women of this country. Joe is smiling today, but what he doesn’t know is that next week his job will be outsourced to a third world country because his employer doesn’t really think Joe is worth the outlay. His employer is also secretly swindling his future pension plan with the knowledge that the feds will cover some portion of that in the future when they go bankrupt. Joe goes to the bank in your world to deposit some money that is federally insured, not privately insured as you suppose. Actually it’s a good thing too, because moments after Joe leaves the bank, it is robbed by a desperate former employee of Joe’s company who was laid off in a downsizing spree. Meanwhile, the CEO of Joe’s soon to be former employer just received a multi-million dollar bonus for saving the stockholders a few bucks. When Joe entered the ROTC, he never dreamed of going to a battlefield in the Middle East and his service was all stateside. Since he’s using his GI-Bill to go to a taxpayer funded university, he doesn’t notice that class costs have increased dramatically in the years since he returned to civilian life. He supports the current war, but would be pissed as hell if it had started while he was still in uniform.  He gets in his other car, among the safest in the world due to consumer demands and class action law suits that forced the auto industry to make a safer vehicle. And even though it has an American label on it, Joe secretly knows that most of the parts were made overseas. He gets to his boyhood home that has managed to stay in the family for three generations, but he’ll soon find out that Dad has sold it to a local developer since the kids rarely come to visit. He also has a reverse mortgage meaning the kids won’t get a penny when he dies. Who cares? Dad always said that folks look out for themselves, just like a good conservative should. The electricity to the house was brought in by FDR decades ago, but since the utilities have dragged their feet in upgrading the infrastructure, Dad often experiences blackouts and outages during mildly inclement weather. On the trip home, Joe listens to a conservative talk show host who derides liberals for wasting tax dollars just as he passes a local earmarked project- a half million dollar public restroom on a little used two lane highway.

    Thank goodness for all those liberals who have worked so hard to keep this version of the world from becoming a reality. Oh, wait…the last decade of republican rule have caused this to become more than just a fairy tale. Despite the realities in the original Joe Republican tale provided by Tom, the reality is a mixture of his and mine. Your version is the one told by people with blindfolds to other people with blindfolds.


  31. tos Says :

    I hear alot about increasing healthcare costs.

    I have question though. Why are healthcare costs higher than they were say 10 years ago?

    I have some theories. We have to cover the cost of people who would use the emergency room for their doctor’s office or maybe the amount of gang violence(usually people from another country) especially in the inner cities that randomly shoot people,drunk drivers and the most one of all the cost of malpractice insurance. Malpratice suits have bankrupted many medical facilties and because of the mulitmillions of dollars paid out puts the burden on all healthcare providers.

    I know you are going to say well it’s someone’s right to sue for malpractice and I agree ,but if someone dies or becomes disabled due to negligence,why should someone be awarded more money than they would need to survive? Some are of the mentaltity that if I ave alot of money I forget about what happened because now I am filthy rich.

    If one of your kids is living with you and they have an accident,(their fault)would you feel it was okay to have sell your home because the victim wasn’t satisfied with what the insurance allows even though they technically didn’t need more than they received from the insurance? Then try to get car insurance after that. Would you be able to survive if it cost you 20,000 a year for car insurance?

     


  32. Tom Baker Says :

    Evers your first statement on your fairy tale is wrong. Capitalist didn’t build the water purification plants - municiplaities did in most likelyhood. And please odn;t bother to dispute this because I happen to know this field rather well.

     


  33. Dr. Forbush Says :

    Living in Baghdad’s Green Zone — Terry talks with journalist Rajiv Chandrasekaran, former Baghdad bureau chief for The Washington Post, about his new book, “Imperial Life in the Emerald City.” It chronicles Baghdad’s Green Zone during the first year of the U.S. occupation.

    Tom,

    Great post! It seems like perfect timing. On Fresh Air today Terry Gross interviewed journalist Rajiv Chandrasekaran who has a new book out called: “Imperial Life in the Emerald City.” The interesting thing about this book is that it documents how the Bush loyalists blindly believed the Republican rhetoric described by Mr. Evers above. They believed it to such an extent that they tried to implement it in Iraq during the occupation by the US forces. They were surprised that the rhetoric didn’t work on so many levels that I don’t have enough time to write them all here.

    Apparently the Bush administration and its loyalists were under the impression that if you tear down everything and put up a new infrastructure based on Republican ideals then “magic” will happen and a Capitalist Democracy will form out of the void. They tried to privatize everything, but no one would buy it. They thought that the secret to health care was a properly written formulary and out patient clinics. The sad thing is that those who figured out that this wasn’t working were fired or quit because they no longer believed the doctrine. And the mess continues on…


  34. Chris Says :

    All those who wish to curtail government oversight should remeber the turn of the century. Perrhaps read sinclair lewis’s The Jungle.


  35. steve Says :

    Tom:

     Joe first off drinks Evian water because he is a Republican and has the money to. He toss the empty bottles into the recycling bin because it makes sense and not because some liberal jerk off demanded it.

    Second, he is not on medication because he is a business owner and has the time to jog, go to the gym and play golf while his workers and staff run his business.

    Third, he drives a Hummer to work, has a good education because his parents were wealthy and could send him to private schools.  However he chose to go to a state school so he can be close to his parents, who have been married for 20 years, because they chose not to experiment with drugs, have elicit sex with multiple partners or partake in some “alternative” lifestyle because it was trendy, new and “cool”.

    Fourth, he since he is a Republican, he owns the freaking business and since some liberal jerk off passed a living wage law and a law giving benefits to business with 50 or more employees, he has to lay off a few hundred employees to make ends meet so the other 5000 he employs have jobs tomorrow.

    Fifth, he later finds out some liberal jerk off has vandalized his Hummer in the parking lot and spray painted the words, “NO BLOOD FOR OIL” on the side of it.  He sinks to the ground outside is car because his two sons VOLUNTEERED TO FIGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY so we can be free, just like HE DID, and HIS FATHER BEFORE HIM, and HIS GRANDFATHER.  He then picks his head up, wipes the spray paint off his AMERICAN FLAG BUMPER STICKER THAT SOME LIBERAL JERK OFF DEFACED IN THE NAME OF FREE SPEECH and heads home.  On the way home, he stops to drop his $50,000 donation to the United Way that his company raised out of the spirit of giving and not because of a tax write off.

    Lastly, he doesn’t read what liberal jerk offs post on their blogs because he is tired of seeing a bunch of cry babies think they know a better way, but have no plan to back it up.
     


  36. abi Says :

    Oh so true. Thanks for posting this.


  37. Jersey McJones Says :

    Tos, don’t believe the malpractice lies.  They are a tiny fraction of overall costs.

    JMJ


  38. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Baker,

    Your statement; “Capitalist didn’t build the water purification plants - municiplaities did in most likelyhood.”  As with most you printed above has, in your own words a “likelihood” of being correct some times.  However even in those cases where municipalities did operate the water systems they were financed by public subscription (bonds) purchased by “capitalists plutocrats” only bent on enriching themselves.  It is unfortunate that your story has so little fact and so much misconception.  Suggest you read a little Milton Friedman.

    All the best


  39. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Grandlund,

    My my, another distorted “screed” and so full of vitriol.  One would think that I hit a nerve with my more factual reply to Mr. Baker’s fairy story.  You will notice that I did not once imply that liberals were evil or did hurtful or mean things.  You on the other hand felt it necessary to demonize conservatives.  Now why is that?   

    All the best


  40. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Mc Jones,

    Please, please study some economics.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Oh by the way what about the 2 year old Mr. Abba Eban?  Maybe you should include some European history also? 
    All the best


  41. Tom Baker Says :

    So Mr. Evers who pays for the bonds? So the statement he drinks his clean water because of capitalist is a hugely misleading statement. He get’s his drinking water because a municiplaity, a county, (and more critically the cititizens in said area) decide they are willing to pay taxes to fund the expense. The bond holder provides up front cash but does not pay for the project. He does not build the treatment facility. He does not in all likelyhood run the plant. He provides a loan. It;s a great system because he inturn does get paid interest on the loan (a loan he is willign to make because he knows the community WILL pay back it’s debt) but to him it is just an invetment. If it wasnt a water treatment plant it would be something else. 

     I’ve read plenty of Milton Friendman son, and the nice think about the Chicago school (or the Austrian school if your really hard core)  is that in practice it doesn’t work all that well. If you ever lived under a Friedman or LVM type society you probably wouldn’t like it because the market just does not hadnle all things prefectly no matter how often you claim it can.

    Also I’ve been waiting for a retration on your tax information where you muddled all the tax\income\wealth facts. I seem to see that a lot from you.  

     


  42. ken grandlund Says :

    Evers- Demonizing? I fail to see how my tale is any more demonizing than your own. I have called no one names, used no vitriolic rhetoric, slammed no one in particular. Perhaps it is you who has a raw nerve.


  43. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Grandlund

    Ok here you go with a few, what shall we call them, distortions, demonizations, slams from your post earlier.

    “Those republicans who sided with the liberals did so to maintain a facade of caring for the little guy in order to get re-elected.” And you know this because, A) you were there? B) Someone told you? C) you dreamed it up?

    “More likely he opposed the bond measures, but once passed, decided to make a few bucks by investing in the same bonds he originally opposed.” Maybe it’s just me but this seems to be another rather assumption bordering on prejudice.

    “His employer is also secretly swindling his future pension plan with the knowledge that the feds will cover some portion of that in the future when they go bankrupt.”  There you go again with an assumption that denigrates another person you know nothing about.   

    “Meanwhile, the CEO of Joe’s soon to be former employer just received a multi-million dollar bonus for saving the stockholders a few bucks.”  My, my, what a generous thing for you to say.  Of course you are not condemning all on the actions of a few no not you why that would be prejudice and you do not have a prejudiced bone in your body.  Why some of your best friends are CEOs.

     “He supports the current war, but would be pissed as hell if it had started while he was still in uniform.”  Once again I marvel at you deft understanding of the motivating factors of your fellow citizens.  It seems if anyone disagrees with your point of view then they must be absolute scum.  Of course that makes your rather nonsensical response to my post more understandable.  You are quite comfortable demonizing (def: -the characterization of individuals, groups, or political bodies as evil for purposes of justifying and making plausible an attack, whether in the form of character assassination, legal action, circumscribing of political liberties, or warfare. The purpose is to facilitate greater ease for killing or destroying the demonized people.) people because you do not seem to see those you disagree with as people worthy of an opinion.

    All the best 


  44. Jersey McJones Says :

    Evers, you’re no expert on economics or Israel.  On economics, you obviously have only taken in what you wanted, and on Israel, if you think Eban was 2 in 1948, I suggest you do some serious brushing up on Israeli history.  You don’t seem to know much about either.

    Look, there’s plenty of things I do not know much about.  But I know my history and economics.  If you can’t see that in me, than you are illiterate in both.

    JMJ


  45. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Baker,

    I was just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.  Around my “neck of the woods” the water company and the power company are privately owned.  As to who pays for the Bonds.  I assume you mean who pays to redeem the bonds.  If that is indeed the question; the bonds are redeemed through the profit that the corporation has from operations.  No profit no payback.  You need to talk to Mr. Mc Jones who feels that such an investment process as you describe does not happen.

    As to Mr. Friedman and the perfection of his system I would ask but one question.  What system in this world is perfect?  I mean you said; “If you ever lived under a Friedman or LVM type society you probably wouldn’t like it because the market just does not hadnle all things prefectly no matter how often you claim it can.”   That implies your standard for an economic system is perfection otherwise a pretty good system, like Friedman’s, heavy on individual liberty is no good because it is not perfect.  Oh and by the way, you do know it is not polite to put words in others mouths in order to try and win a loosing argument?  Check back I do not believe I said or implied perfection on Friedman’s part.

    All the best


  46. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Mc Jones,

    Mr. Eban was born in 1915 and at the time of the Balfour Agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration,_1917 which you confused with the partition of Palestine he (Mr. Eban not Mr. Balfour) was 2 years old.  Now If you don’t know what the Balfour agreement is I can provide you with further information to assist your education.

    All the best  


  47. Chris Says :

    I fail to see where privatizion the electrical system has helped anyone. Do you rember Enron, and that was merely to largest disaster. In Montana it managed too double the rates in under two years while enriching the CEO. In new YOrk they had to make it a public ageny. Once agian we have been under pure capitalism before at the turn of the 1900’s and it was a disaster. That was the period that brought about unions and government regulation. The superfund sites were caused by free enterprise and were only prevented by government regualtion.


  48. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Chris,

    I think if you check some of the worst superfund sites are at federal government sites and you do not want to think about the pollution in the Soviet Workers Paradise.  I suggest that it might not be the system but rather public oversight and the will/freedom to act that make the difference.

    All the best    


  49. Jersey McJones Says :

    Nice try, my freind Evers, but I was NOT referring to Balfour.  I was referring to the the state of Israel.  How you could get that off would be beyond me but of course you were not off, you just covered your tracks.

    JMJ


  50. Jersey McJones Says :

    And Evers, you know full well what happens to Superfund funding when the GOP is in charge.

    Play nice now…

    JMJ 


  51. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Mc. Jones,

    I realize that it is embarrassing to make such an obvious mistake, especially from such a history expert; however since you do not “remember” what you posted here is a retrospective from your posts on the 18th/19th.  Check it out:

    H. Evers Says :

    September 19th, 2006 at 1:40 pm

    Dear Mr. Mc Jones,

    Recommend that you check the relationship Israel’s founding had with Great Brittan’s need for funding during WWI.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration,_1917

    http://www.invitation.to/dance/israel-balfouragreement.htm As to the violence in Palestine suggest you check out this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots .

    I join with Mr. Harmon in stating that Israel is a fact and has the “right” to exist.

    All the best

    Jersey McJones Says :

    September 19th, 2006 at 3:28 pm

    Evers, I don’t even need the link.  Yes, Abba Eban and the British Zionists had a lot to do with the formation of Israel, but they couldn’t do it without people - lots of Jewish people.  When the boats started filling out of Europe, the Jewish emigrants didn’t first choose to come to Israel.  They understood just how stupid that would be.  They had, afterall, just fled a war zone.  They didn’t want to go to another.  They wanted to come to America, to Canada, to Australia - but they were turned away - thanks to the anti-semitism that prevailed in those nations and the ignorance of what had befallen those Jews.  I have never seen any evidence that the Eban crowd pulled any weight when it came to decisions in America - not until a few years later when Truman finally gave audience.  Perhaps in Britain, but that’s about it.  The fact is, that had the world known about the holocaust in a more timely way, the Jews would never have been turned away and Israel would still be a Zionist dream. 

    Remember, you’re talking to one well-read amateur historian who’s prime focus is modern European history.

    JMJ

    H. Evers Says :

    September 19th, 2006 at 4:29 pm

    Dear Mr. Mc Jones,

    I am sorry but you have confused me.  Mr. Abba Eban (1915-2002) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abba_Eban was two years old when the Balfour agreement (1917) was published.  Could you please tell me how you see a two year involved?  As to the desires of the Jewish survivors of the holocaust to go to Palestine I recommend that you look at the following:   http://www.mideastweb.org/angloamerican.htm As to American policy on Jewish immigration please see:  http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203541.pdf .

    All the best

    Anything else I can do for you?

    All the best


  52. Chris Says :

    The fact that some government sites are in the superfund sites does not negate the fact that total free enterprise is also a cause and what has the soviet union got to do with this or the 1900’s when things were realy bad


  53. ken grandlund Says :

    Ah yes Evers…and your own version of the tale assumes that all good things only sprout from capitalistic endeavors, giving absolutely no credit to a liberal for anything is just as flawed.

    Where did the drive for safer vehicles, foods, medicines, and consumer products originate? From the factory owners and industrialists? I think not. Perhaps republican legislators assisted in these things becoming laws, but the moneyed interests fought hard to keep them from coming to fruition.

    What brought about the worker protections we have today? Was it benevolent employers who thought hey, let’s give them more time off, beter pay, health care. and retirement packages? I think not, since these same bohemoth corporations are operating in the rest of the world without those barriers to their profits. Again, of course it took bipartisan effort to make these things law, but they did not come from a groundswell of goodness from the conservative position.

    Your own version of the truth, which ignores so much of what liberal/democratic principals began is no less demonizing than mine. You simply believe that to ignore something makes it disappear forever, thus becoming untrue in totality. Your form of passive aggressive behavior is more insidious than my own tactic of calling a spade a spade, and ultimately more destructive too. For when we distort reality so completely, there becomes little chance of escaping the worst it has wrought.

    Here, Evers…have another cup of Kool-Aid.


  54. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Grandlund,

    I see you have dropped your denial of demonizing all those you disagree with and gone back to simple misstatement of fact.  That is OK but does not change the prejudiced statements you made into something more reasonable. 

    I find it interesting that you fail to credit and discount the obvious fact that all types of political beliefs have been involved in building America.  You seem to pick and choose the “winners” (in your view) in order to make a rather slanted point.  I do not ignore the contributions that liberal thought and actions have brought to this country, I celebrate them.  I do; however, try to compensate for the distortions and misstatements posted here.  Your last post, while better in tone, ignores the fact that many people of all political stripes contributed to those concepts you profess to admire.  What does it profit the country if we continually condemn what amounts to half the population just because they disagree with us?  

    Sorry,  but I prefer Beer

    All the best


  55. ken grandlund Says :

    Evers,

    I see, so my words “of course it took bipartisan effort to make these things law” amount to

    “ignoring the fact that many people of all poitical stripes contributed.”

    And in a scope that is much broader than just this post, you’ll find that I don’t demonize the classic conservative positions on a variety of things. However, my revised tale, in this case, was a response to your own revised tale, which was as damning in its exclusion of credit to the left as mine was to the right.

    In this case, I was merely using the principal of “good enough for you, good enough for me.”

    You can’t dish it out and then cry later and expect to not be rebutted.


  56. tos Says :

    JMJ-

    Why don’t you ask your doctor about Malpractice insurance? Mine already told me that is a number one factor that has attributed to skyrocketing costs and the closings of practices,spefically OBGYNs.


  57. Dr. Forbush Says :

    tos,

    Whether malpractice insurance is causing health care prices to rise isn’t the point. After all, people sue because they have been wronged in some way. Isn’t this the free market taking a stand against incompetance? That should be something that the conservatives should applaud. Except for the fact that it effects a good number of doctors who happen to have made a lot of money and they are afraid that their incompetance might cause them to loose that money. Conservatives like to point out that the homeless are homeless because they aren’t trying to find work, or they aren’t motivated enough to find work. Maybe if the incompetant doctors just left the profession we would have a better health care industry and those who couldn’t cut it would be working at Wendy’s.

    In all seriousness, though if we let this sueing and malpractice work its way out through the legal system precidents will be set and good doctors will continue to work and bad doctors will loose their jobs and find other work as pharmacutical reps or such. Everyone will be happy in the end…  


  58. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Mr. Grandlund,

    You really need to include the entire quote when you post since it does change the meaning.  You completely said; “Again, of course it took bipartisan effort to make these things law, but they did not come from a groundswell of goodness from the conservative position.  Or in other words even though conservatives did the right thing they did it for the wrong reason.  Leaving out just how you would determine, “it did not come from …etc…”, the part you failed to post would seem to cancel out your recognition of reality.  

    As to your interesting “Tit for Tat” analogy I suggest you re read both your post and mine.  Although I did attempt to slant it “right” of Mr. Baker’s post I did so without claiming that liberals eat their children.  Unfortunately your post while missing accusing the conservatives of cannibalism did not miss it by much.  Sorry but I do not see the benefits of your approach to discussion. 

    All the best


  59. H. Evers Says :

    Dear Dr. Forbush,

    What is your criterion for incompetence?  Are you, as many seem to do today, requiring perfection from all your service providers and label anything less as incompetence?  You do acknowledge that tort lawyers sue when ever they believe that they can achieve a positive cash flow for themselves do you not?  I mean John Edwards even admitted that he did not worry about any wrong doing or incompetence on the part of any Doctor he sued but rather if he could win the case.  I do not fault him for this I fault the laws governing litigation.  The net effect; however, has been to cause some lawyers to become wealthy and for the rest of us to pay more for health coverage.  This is not the only factor but it is a major contributor.

    All the best


  60. ken grandlund Says :

    Evers-

    Conversing with you is at times about as productive as playing handball without a wall.

    Of course, all your suppositions are the most valid, well constructed, most inclusive, and undeniably correct positions one could hope to posess. I will now go and enroll in the nearest Conservative Indoctrination classes to better become a good follower.

    Right after I go eat some babies.

     

     


  61. Dr. Forbush Says :

    Mr. Evers,

    Don’t you believe in our judicial system? The adversarial system defines what those standards should be by presenting a case before our peers. If the doctors can’t argue their case, then either they have been proven incompetent or they have not hired a properly educated lawyer. If you question this, what hope is there for the accused murders and rapists that have the stigma of violent crime draped over them in the court of law?


  62. Chris Says :

    Mr Evers

     

     Why rant against the lawyers I thought you believed in the free market?


  63. Liberal Thinker Says :

    The American Medical Association, hereafter AMA, spends more money on government relations, hereafter lobbying, than any other professional association, according to one of their lobbyists I met this summer. They spend so much money on lobbying they actually outspend the biggest tobacco companies, military organizations (haliburtan), and the NRA. We are hearing about medical malpractice because that is what they want us to hear about. They pay big bucks to have their legion of lobbyists pour as much honey-potion into the ears of as many legislators as they can. 

    I find it hard to believe that an organization that spends as much as they do on lobbyists (many of which used to be lawyers and all get paid quite well) wouldn’t spend equally on the best lawyers they could to combat medical malpractice. My guess is they do spend the money and they do have great lawyers. so then what is wrong with our legal system that these great lawyers can’t win these unnecessary law suits?

    Maybe it’s because the American people, you know the ones that make up the 8 or 12 person jury, think that when a doctor screws up and causes serious injury to a patient then the patient shouldn’t have to pay the doctor and say thank you.

    Sure, people expect miracles of doctors. We look at them as being perfect and infalible. (the same can be suggested of lawyers) However, in reality they are just people and they make mistakes. But who should suffer? the injuried patient who put his trust in a doctor who was all too willing to take it, or the doctor and his insurance company? Furthermore, doctors have done their fair share to paint themselves as the “miracle medical mortals”. There is plenty of good reason for Doctors making themselves appear above the rest of us, would you go to joe schmo to get your heart operated on? would you tell him your most personal health information? NO. So there is definitely a need for this and doctors have worked to establish it (what do you think the white coat stuff is all about? it establishes the barrier between patient and doctor, patient and angel). But the down side is that when they make a mistake we react violently. And we reason that if a doctor messes up then they should be held responsible.

    The legislature is not the right place to settle issues of tort law such as medical malpractice. Limits on damages will unnecessarily burden the process and fail to account for the many different areas of sufferning that the Jury may wish to recognize, as is their job.

    As far as the lawyer is concerned: every american has a right to a fair trial and the best argument there is. A lawyer should not get bogged down in their own moral position because that is the role of the jury, theirs is to represent the client. Are there lawyers who do it only for the money, sure. But I think they are probably not the norm. Lawyers work way too hard if its just the money. What Edwards was saying was that if there is no case as a matter of law he does what the ABA says is the ethical thing, refuse the case and tell the client why. If there is a case he does the ethical thing and takes it. If there is no case as a matter of law and he takes it the defendant’s lawyer will push the judge to demur the case and that will be granted. If it is a question of facts the judge will not demur but let it go to the jury. So, do not blame the judges, or the lawyers or even the law. Blame the jury. The people who have this crazy idea that a person who has been injured because of someone elses mistake or negligence has a right to compensation.


  64. steve Says :

    Yeah, well, you liberals may have established all of those “rules and regulations” but hey, we still have Jesus!!!


  65. Liberal Thinker Says :

    Steve, Jesus was a liberal. He was killed as a heretic because of his liberal views.

    WWJD? He would vote Democrat in ‘06.


  66. » Blog Archive » Joe Republican Says :

    […] Here’s a Day In The Life of Joe Republican. […]


  67. ANTI-NAZIS Says :

    HEY WAKE UP AMERICA AND THE WORLD

    EL DIABLOCO ARE REAL NEO NAZIS WITH  LOTS OF NUKES 

    THIS IS NOT A TEST

    WARNING!! WARNING !!

    EVERYONE OR ANYONE CAN BE DEEMED TERRORISTS WITHOUT PROOF= NO RIGHTS AT ALL 


  68. getupstandup Says :

    “A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE ULTRA-LIB”

    Joe gets up at 10 a.m. and fills his pipe with Maui Wowee to prepare his morning buzz. He gets a glass of water and the water is clean and good because nobody, not even fascist republicans want to drink polluted water. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are not safe to take because the pharmaceutical lobbyists have worked wonderful inside deals with the FDA to make millions of dollars off of their dangerous patent, but who cares, some other citizen will pay for them for him.

    He has had a hard time finding a job because he has a hard time getting up in the morning so none of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan, But thanks to John  Taxpayer,  Joe gets it too.

    He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Bacon is delicious when you have the munchies. J

    In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because no one, not even fascist republicans want to contaminate their bodies.

    Joe puts on his flip flops, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air, but lights up a smoke anyways.

    He grabs his 6 kids he cant afford and walks on the government-provided sidewalk to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to the welfare office. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation costs because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor and picks up his free money that was skimmed right off the paycheck of the next guy who is in the office at 6 and leaves at 8 everyday so he can provide for his family responsibly.

    Joe begins his work day. He fucks around for a bit, watches some tube, smokes a little more weed and before you know it its 5 o’ clock.

    If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll just go to the emergency room and get free medical attention because the next guy paid for him, at least he doesn’t worry about losing his house..

    It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. He loves his section 8 apartment since someone else pays for half of it so he better use some of the free money he picked up today to pay for it.

    Joe has to pay s below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the country would be better off if some other taxpayer paid for it. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state-funded university.

    Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because since someone else is paying for most of his expenses, he can devote any income he can muster up to luxuries.

    He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house and sees his dad who is 65 years old and still working hard, but Joe can’t seem to display the hard working values his family tried to teach him.

    The house didn’t have electricity until his hardworking father’s farm became successful after 20 years of hard work and decided to better the family’s life.

    He is happy to see his father, who is now old and still working. His father still has to work because social security was stolen from him each and every year and placed in a “lock box”, he could’ve just saved it himself, but when he dies, Joe will not get to inherit that money his father worked so hard for. That’s ok, there are new young taxpayer suckers coming along every day to support him.

    Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those small government conservatives ruining our lives! After all, lifes good, all those people going to work at the crack of dawn are crazy!”-

     


  69. Frank IBC Says :

    Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC

    The FSLIC was abolished in 1989, you idiot.


  70. Frank IBC Says :

    “Jesus was a liberal. He was killed as a heretic because of his liberal views.”

     The one that said “I have not come to bring peace, but a sword?”
     


  71. Dr. Forbush Says :

    Frank, 

    Actually it was the Jesus who said “Love your neighbor” and “turn the other cheek.” 


  72. Craig R. Harmon Says :

    Well, yes, Frank and Dr. Forbush, if the Gospels are to be trusted, Jesus said all of those things. To call Jesus either a Liberal or a Conservative in the modern senses of those terms is an anachronism. He had ideas that appeared radical to many of his day but he also had many ideas that seem very Conservative.

    When asked (Matthew 19:16ff.)  “[W]hat good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”, Jesus answered “[I]f thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” That sounds pretty Conservative to me, sending the questioner back hundreds of years to the code of a long past generation.

    On the other hand, when the original questioner responded “All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?” Jesus responded, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” That’s a pretty radical and Liberal idea.

    In the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) Jesus sounds very Conservative in places: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets [i. e. the Old Testament, its precepts and promises]: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” That sounds pretty Conservative to me.

    On the other hand he went on to say, and repeated in one form or another “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time…” and then went on to reinterpret what they of old time said. That sounds pretty Liberal and radical to me.

    I think that there is plenty for Conservatives and Liberals to find in Jesus, if whether he was a Conservative or Liberal is what one is looking for in Jesus. On the other hand, the whole enterprise of trying to determine if Jesus was a Conservative or a Liberal lacks merit, it seems to me. He was a complex person with both Conservative and Liberal aspects to his teachings and actions. Jesus didn’t live and teach in order to validate our present day politics. He came to seek and to save those who were lost.

    That’s what we should be seeking in Jesus…to be found and saved by him. 


  73. christopher Radulich Says :

    Joe agrees: “We don’t need those small government conservatives ruining our lives!

     

    What small governemt conservitives is he talking about. Regan and Bush made the government bigger than anybody since Roosevelt. They have bust the budget more than anybody. Regan cut taxes for the upper class but doubled taxes on the working man.  Bush and Co. decided to interfer with Teri Shrivo.


  74. christopher Radulich Says :

    PS. To the best of my knowledge Jesus said all three. That is the beauty of the bible, you can cherry pick whatever you want to prove your point.


  75. Chris Batto Says :

    AmericA is one of only two developed nations (in the world) that are without universal health care. Oh….it is odd that the other “developed nation” …is South  Africa.

    Hmm….funny…. with all that money you citizens saved by using slave labour, shouldn’t  there be enough money left over to fund some free hospital visits ???

    When is America going to wake up an stop believing its own bullshit(ters)

     

    CB 


  76. Dr. Forbush Says :

    Chris,

    The US doesn’t have Universal Health care because America does not respect life as any Christian preacher will tell you. When we begin to respect life, then America will move up into the catagory of providing for those in need.

     



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