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When Liberals Go Bad…

May 16th, 2007 | by steve |


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This old couple looks lost.

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  1. 30 Responses to “When Liberals Go Bad…”

  2. By Charlie on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Way to blame the victims steve. A new low even for you.

  3. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Blame the victims? A few hundred bicyclists roll up on an old couple with handicapped plates for a “Critical Mass” anti-car protest? Can you imagine how confused and scared these seniors must have been? They tried to get away and these stupid people got in front of them. What is this old couple supposed to do Charlie, get a tandem bike next time they leave their home? You’re fucking crazy.

    C’mon Charlie, what are you smoking?!?!

  4. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Charlie:

    Here’s some stuff from wiki:

    “n San Francisco, there have been claims of both driver-initiated and cyclist-initiated violence during Critical Mass events.[17]

    On the evening of March 30, 2007 in San Francisco, toward the end of Critical Mass, a woman found herself in the middle of a group of bicyclists and tried to drive through them resulting in hundreds of bicyclists surrounding her minivan. The Critical Mass participants claimed the driver of the minivan struck a bicyclist, and continued moving forward until the bicycle was under her vehicle, however no independent evidence of this claim exists. The driver of the van denies striking the cyclist. What is known is that the cyclists banged on the sides of her car, “keyed” the paint, and threw a bicycle through the rear window of the vehicle, causing $5300 in damage.”

    The reference from SF Gate indicates she had kids in her car.

  5. By JT Davis on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    “Can you imagine how confused and scared these seniors must have been?”

    I think you are right. Perhaps they shouldn’t be driving at all.

    It could get worse…

    I’m hoping to arm them all soon.

    http://www.liberalswithguns.com/

    That should be fun, huh, Steve?

  6. By Charlie on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    What observed was a middle aged fucktard driving over bicycles for no observable reason.

    I guess it looks different when your message is fossil fuel=good bike=bad.

    Did you get the results of your spinal tap?

  7. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Middle aged? The dude was at least 70! And if you saw an accident, would run up and start pounding the vehicle and cursing the driver if you weren’t directly involved?

    I didn’t see anyone get hurt. I just saw some bikes get run over.

    Hey, I own a bike too. Gary Fisher mountain bike with some cool shocks. Used to go riding a lot with my wife until she was… carelessly knocked off of hers by a drunk driver! Seriously!! LOL! We got like 5K in a settlement without even trying to sue!

    Um no… nothing on the tap yet. I was supposed to find out Monday but they haven’t called or emailed. So it’s probably bad and I should enjoy myself until I see the guy next week. Right?

  8. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    JT we already have the Gun Toting Liberal here… whom I often agree with socially.

  9. By Steve O on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    They should have dragged the two old fucks out of the car and shoved a bicycle pump up there asses and made them scream “praise Jesus” at the top of their lungs. Just kidding.

    Steve, come on, be real, I could just as easily post a video of Eric Rudolphs bombings and label it “When Conservatives go bad.”

    Extremism is not tolerated by the middle. And quite frankly, I would rather see a bunch of extremists peddling to protest then making bombs and killing people to protest.

    Now, go to your room :-)

  10. By Jersey McJones on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Yeah, I’m with SteveO. What a waste of time - for all concerned. Find a video of a good match-up. Now that I’d like to see.

    JMJ

  11. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    STeve O

    How do you know the old people weren’t liberals? They had handicapped plates so they are already using socialist entitlements to “equalize” their lives. :)

  12. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey:

    I found a good video for ya already. Remember the one with the dog on duck sodomization?

  13. By JT Davis on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Steve,

    It looks like you get this one. Checking around, (and this caused a big fracas at Freep, even, lot’s of bicyclists there, not CM bikers though), it appears that the “activists” may have been in the wrong. It’s local news for me. “Liberals” may not be the best way to identify these folks. They are more like actual “Greens” and “dirty fucking hippies” - not that I have a problem with that- and some of them may even be a bit too authoritarian for me. But if you had decided not to try and tar “liberals” with this kind of silliness, (and you notice, I didn’t object too strongly at first because they do not fit my definition of a liberal, just the cartoon image projected by the right of liberals), you probably would have had most of us agreeing with you. It’s difficult to say but I suspect this one is a bit hinky.

    Y’all can watch the various vids from the news tonite

    http://www.kron.com/

    Still, I like the idea of activists on the left willing to push the envelope. Politics is a contact sport. A blood sport.

  14. By JT Davis on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    Oh, and the handicapped plate dodge?

    You know how hard it is to park in the Bay Area? If you drive, you are handicapped. Those placards are to local drivers what Oxycontin is to Rush Limpalls and Docs will give them to anyone who looks old enough and bitches enough.

  15. By Jersey McJones on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    “Jersey:

    I found a good video for ya already. Remember the one with the dog on duck sodomization?”

    Oaky, that was good. Carry on.

    JMJ

  16. By JT Davis on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    But the old fart did look like Dick Cheney.

    Those hippies are lucky to be alive!

  17. By steve on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    JT… I know the Bay Area well… Ever read my mostly non-politcal blog?

    You if those bike riders were black, the cops would have shown up and thrown them all in jail. Even in Berkeley! But if they were illegal aliens on the bikes, they’d have gotten police guards on every block… and a permit.

    Republicans don’t ride bikes… so this wouldn’t happen. We’d just follow the old people to the store and point at them when they don’t use a walker or cane with that Disabled Plate.

  18. By JT Davis on May 16, 2007 | Reply

    “Republicans don’t ride bikes”

    Oh come on! Of course they do. From Freep (they ain’t liberals)

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1832625/posts?q=1&;page=101

    “To: SmithL
    The animosity shown by many people here towards cyclists is pathetic. I deal with a lot of it out on the road, but had hoped folks here would be a bit above Neanderthal level. Apparently not.

    There’s no reason for me to get buzzed by a car 6 inches away. Pass me safely like any other vehicle. If you’re in such a damn rush, you should have left earlier.

    I’m in no way defending these Critical Mass morons, but the comments from several of you make you no better than them. Advocating murder because you can’t be bothered to share the road? That’s sick.

    117 posted on 05/14/2007 5:48:09 AM PDT by zoso82t”

    What’s really fascinating is the purpose and structure of Critical Mass. From Wiki:

    “The purpose of Critical Mass is not formalized beyond the direct action of meeting and carrying out the event, creating a public space where automobiles are displaced to make room for alternatives. One commonly used slogan is We Are Traffic. All participants, being equal in leadership, are thought to have equivalent claim to their own intentions and the purpose of the ride. Critical Mass grew alongside and probably in conjunction with the environmental movement, which cites private automobile use as catastrophic to the global and local environment, in physical and social terms. Generally, the purposes of the event as indicated by the actions of the riders are meant to oppose the domination of the automobile over urban culture, or to create something different. However, these things are often interpreted very differently and some riders may even disagree - for example, one might not ride at all for environmental purposes, but because of social justice theories. Many do not ride in opposition to anything: they simply enjoy an opportunity to cycle socially and in safety, or in a boisterous and celebratory crowd.”

    “Structure

    Critical Mass differs from many other social movements in its rhizomal (rather than hierarchical) structure. Critical Mass is sometimes called an “organized coincidence”, with no leadership or membership. The routes of some rides are decided spontaneously by whoever is currently at the front of the ride, others are decided prior to the ride by a popular vote of suggested routes often drawn up on photocopied flyers. The term xerocracy was coined to describe a process by which the route for a Critical Mass can be decided: anyone who has an opinion makes their own map and distributes it to the cyclists participating in the Mass. Still other rides decide the route by consensus. The “disorganized” nature of the event allows it to largely escape clampdown by authorities who may view the rides as forms of parades or organized protest. Additionally, the movement is free from the structural costs associated with a centralized, hierarchical organization. In order for the event to function, the only requirement is a sufficient turn-out to create a “critical mass” of riders dense enough to occupy a piece of road to the exclusion of motorized road users.”

  19. By JT Davis on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    “Republicans don’t ride bikes”

    You have these caricatures in your head that are created for you by the dominant media culture. Republicans do ride bikes. They probably don’t do Critical Masses, but I’m a liberal by default and I don’t do CM. I don’t even ride a bike.

  20. By tos on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    I would of run them all over. Get the hell out of my way!

  21. By Charlie on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    RIght Lisa, that is called murder or at the least assault with a deadly weapon. Like it or not Bikes have a place on the road. In fact, most states call them motor vehicles. Deal with it.

  22. By tos on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    Yeah Charlie their place is not to block traffic for the cars roads were originally made for.

  23. By Charlie on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    So should motorcycles ride on sidewalks? They were primarily to the right in the presence of traffic. Run them over and it’s murder plain and simple.

  24. By steve on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    CHarlie:

    Are you familiar with Critical Mass and what they do? They don’t stay to the right, they roll down the middle in large groups literally swarming cars. In San Francisco they’ll roll onto Market St. and just stop, blocking all the cars in the financial district.

  25. By JT Davis on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    “Are you familiar with Critical Mass and what they do? They don’t stay to the right, they roll down the middle in large groups literally swarming cars. In San Francisco they’ll roll onto Market St. and just stop, blocking all the cars in the financial district.”

    Yeah, but only one day a month!

    Seriously though…

    In point of fact, we have to change the way we live. This reliance on the automobile is not sustainable. What they are doing is quite innovative. They could be out there blowing up Hummers. I give them props for being more like Greenpeace and putting themselves between the whalers and the whales.

  26. By steve on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    JT:

    I have had some personal experience dealing with “militants” as a Hummer driver. They can be brutal. But my wife is the primary driver and we barely put miles on it except for trips.

    The problem we have in this country is that we have way too much shit! PDA’s, cellphones, computers, baby toys and baby play pins, shopping at IKEA, the list goes on and on with what we have to carry around as a society. You can’t always get around in a small car with all the necessities.

    As an organization, I don’t have a problem with Greenpeace. But the Earth Liberation Front scares the bejesus out of me!

    What would the ACLU really think about this vehicle? Would they side with the bikers or the old couple. The problem with the video, we don’t see what happened before the car met the bikers or how they got mixed up. One can assume the old couple was just making their way and turned right onto a street where the bikers were is mass. We don’t see who was rude or inconsiderate. We see only the aftermath and the next incident.

  27. By tos on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    Charlie-Motorcycles are vehicles. Actually my husband rode on a sidewalk with his once in Manhattan when the kids were threatening to open up the fire hydrant when he rode through so he rode up on the sidewalk and scared the shit out of them. He said they scattered so fast it was hysterical. That was a long time ago.

  28. By JT Davis on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    Steve,

    I am torn between my left-libertarian/non-Authoritarian leanings and my natural discomfort with acquiring wealth and ostentation and flaunting it for it’s own sake. I like to live simply and for me, a Hummer isn’t simple, but it has it’s uses. I tried to convince a friend not to buy the ‘Vette and the Harley but at least he can sell them now that he can’t find a job with his salary reqs in Texas. The ACLU wouldn’t take this. That’s not what they do. The video was edited by Jason Meggs and he won’t release the unedited video. The “at fault” party is no longer the issue because it’s clear from the edited video that someone in the crowd vandalized the van for no good reason. Two wrongs don’t make a right, even if you are a liberal. In fact, especially if you are a liberal. That’s a “conservative” view, but only recently. Republicans are like that and have been for some time. If I had to guess, having watched many of the videos out there of that day, some drivers in other incidents caused troubles and drove away. This poor couple may have not been at fault, (I can’t say, I wasn’t there), but got the brunt of the anger and frustration that was really intended for the other motorists who did cause trouble but drove away clean. CM should have a chase team on motorcycles or dirt bikes like the infamous TAC squad of SFPD.

  29. By JT Davis on May 17, 2007 | Reply

    Oh yeah,

    I can understand your wariness of ELF coming from Sacto and being up near the logging scene but really… an awful lot of that is just hype.

    If ALF and ELF, (sounds like a cartoon show) were the most dangerous militant/activists we all had to deal with, we’d be in Disneyland. I’m more afraid of the FBI and our own government, and I was similarly suspicios of them under Clinton. Always am. ALF and ELF don’t scare me.

    As Judi Bari used to say, “The first one to mention dynamite is always the FBI informant.”

  30. By Dusty on May 19, 2007 | Reply

    Sweet Jesus in a speedo steve..those old fuckers should be drawn and quartered. They kept driving forward knowing they were running over something..evidently they didn’t care if it was human or not.

    This is why people over 70 shouldn’t drive the majority of the time. THe old biddy looked out of it.

  31. By Froenx on May 20, 2007 | Reply

    If people remember from their driving handbook, a bycicle is considered a motor vehicle.

    Yup, it’s an MVA. and when vehicle A (the minivan) continues to move forward toward vehicle B (the bicycle), it becomes the minivan driver’s fault.

    It does not matter who instigated the conflict. When there is an MVA, both vehicles are not allowed to move at all.

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