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Tragic Irony

June 8th, 2007 | by Jersey McJones |

Given the terrible pasts of Poland and Romania back in the Iron Curtain days, you’d think they wouldn’t want this sort of thing happening on their soil.

What a shame.

JMJ

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  1. 46 Responses to “Tragic Irony”

  2. By tos on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    How could that be? The US has no allys around the world.

  3. By steve on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey:

    We’re jailing the exact type of people that pulled that shit on Poland and Romania. You act like terrorists are these law abiding citizens that can do no wrong.

    Quit bending some story to your political ideology of pot smoking and Doritos.

    Dick.

  4. By Jersey McJones on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Tos, with allies like that, you’d better not have enemies!

    Steve, you have no clue who they’re holding, why, what they did or didn’t do, or what we’re doing with them. So clam it.

    JMJ

  5. By SteveIL on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey, you have no clue who they’re holding. You clam it.

  6. By Jersey McJones on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    SteveIL, unlike you incurious cons, I actually would like to know.

    JMJ

  7. By SteveIL on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Tell you what, Jersey. Next time we have a chance to capture a terrorist, we’ll just shoot it whereever it is. How about that? No secret prisons, no “torture”; just a dead terrorist.

  8. By Paul Watson on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    SteveIL,
    Or a dead bystander who you thought was a terrorist. Nobody’s perfect, after all. Why do you wnat to kill innocent civillians?
    Why do you think the US should be using secret prisons and torture, btw?

  9. By tos on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Why do you think the US should be using secret prisons and torture, btw?

    Paul-Because our liberals over here and the ACLU always side with the enemy.
    Q-When is torture not torture?
    A-When the bad guys are torturing us.

  10. By tos on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    SteveIL, unlike you incurious cons, I actually would like to know.

    JMJ

    Jersye-Actually it’s really none of your or our business.

  11. By Paul Watson on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Lisa,
    So you’re saying you think that torture is aceptable. Fair enough. In which case, why are you so upset when the terrorists do it?
    And ’side with the enemy’? Because they oppose torture or want the rules of war to be adhered to? Yes, what utter bastards. Clearly they wish America destroyed.

  12. By steve on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    I hate clams…

    Paul… if it wasn’t for us, you would have a country. In fact, you might finally just have come out of Communism and we would have “secret camps” outside of Stoke-on-Trent.

    Enjoy your freedoms bitches… I know I do. I have two Porsches and you don’t!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!

  13. By tos on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Fair enough. In which case, why are you so upset when the terrorists do it?

    Paul you can’t be serious comparing terrorists means of torture and the reasons they do it with the purpose of killing as the end result.
    What bothers me the most is how everyone points out that America is torturing(if that’s what you want to call it) and no one brings attention to the brutal means used by our enemies.
    It’s just typical media play. Here’s another example. Here in Tennessee we had a young white couple brutally tortured and killed by 5 black people.This story got no media attention but you can guarantee had it been 5 white people and a young black couple there would have been constant media play and labeling it a hate crime.It would have been everyday headlines. But this is the type of thing the media wants to keep from us.

  14. By tos on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    I clicked too many times there.

  15. By Paul Watson on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Lisa,
    That could be because America claims to be better. The terrorists don’t hide the fact that they are willing to kill, maim, and torture anyone who disagrees with them. America claims to be a moral, Christian country. This ain’t moral or Christian.
    Are they doing worse? Yes. That doesn’t make what you’re doing ok.
    Or, put another way, if a country treated captured Americans like you treat these guys, would you throw a fit? If yes, then why is it ok for you to do it?

  16. By Paul Watson on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Besides which, what chance of the terrorists giving a shit about public opinion? Rather more chance of a democratic government listening to the people, wouldn’t you say?

  17. By steve on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    They give a shit about religious opinion which is where political opinions come from.

    (oooh that will start controversy)

  18. By Jersey McJones on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    You cons are not Americans.

    JMJ

  19. By steve on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Careful Jersey, or you might be declared unfit for Fred Thompson’s America.

  20. By Jersey McJones on Jun 8, 2007 | Reply

    Fine. Send me to Canada.

    JMJ

  21. By Chris on Jun 9, 2007 | Reply

    Steve

    If we wanted to live in a country that you and tos created we would have moved to Communist Russia. They were great believers in show trails, torture, secret prisons, and spying on their citizens. All things that you two endorse.

  22. By steve on Jun 9, 2007 | Reply

    Oh… and I suppose, Chris, that you want Paris Hilton freed. After all she is one of your celebrity activists who can do no wrong. Do you endorse her being freed?

  23. By christopher Radulich on Jun 9, 2007 | Reply

    Actually I was surprised that I cared about the Paris Hilton thing. Normally I try to avoid all that crap, but I did find what happen there offensive and am glad that she is, hopefully, serving her full sentence.

    What exactly has this to do with the secret prison and torture. However as long as we are digressing, perhaps you can tell me why we are upset with Iran for jailing four of our citizens. They were just following our lead.

  24. By steve on Jun 9, 2007 | Reply

    Hey… welcome to Dick Cheney’s America. But really… This post goes in the “Who the fuck cares?” Category. Seriously. We all know the CIA is a big bad organization aimed at keeping our freedom safe. So who cares what Poland or Romania let us do. Iran is just doing what it can to stir up shit. It’s just the way it is. And I am satisfied…

    You want real change Chris, vote EVERYONE out!! Make new rules, start over, follow the Constitution. That’s it…

    (Fred Thompson for President)

  25. By Jersey McJones on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Yeah, that’s what we need, another clueless old actor to maintain the failed conservative status quo. You’re a real inside-the-box thinker, steve.

    And as for supporting stupid celebrities, you dumb cons and you’re war against the estate tax, a war [aid for by Paris and a few dozen other rich brats who have nothing but luck to thank for their wealth, you are Paris’ greatest enablers. Meanwhile, you will pay the taxes that we lose from the public coffers and never would have been affected by the estate tax in the first place.

    Idiots.

    JMJ

  26. By steve on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey, you are a real piece of work… If Sean Penn or Al Franken ran for President, you’d have the biggest hard on for it and you know it.

  27. By Paul Watson on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey,
    steve has a point. At least, as an actor, he has the ability to look like a normal human being and express emotion. That’s a step up from the current guy. He might even be able to deliver a speech without ballsing it up, too.

  28. By Jersey McJones on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Give Franken a few years in the senate before you make a judgement there. I know I will. For now, we’ll wait and see. His credentials are limited. Senn Pean? No. Not a big fan. Zero credentials.

    Thompson? Shit. I doubt you even have a clue about him. I’ll say this, though, you cons are easily led by the delivery of rhetoric. His delivery is impeccable. His message? Who knows?

    JMJ

  29. By steve on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Hmmm… There’s an entire post I could write why he’s gonna win it.

    But who has the time, I have two Porsches :)

  30. By Jersey McJones on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    He might win it. Feel good?

    JMJ

  31. By tos on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    Steve

    If we wanted to live in a country that you and tos created we would have moved to Communist Russia. They were great believers in show trails, torture, secret prisons, and spying on their citizens. All things that you two endorse.

    Chris I think you are getting a little carried away with yourself there. Take a deep breath. This is America. You know the country you want to protect you and guarantee your freedom and safety and do everything for everyone? What was the last thing you did for your country?

  32. By christopher Radulich on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    I volunteered for vietnam. Spent three years in the army. 9 years in the army reserve. voted in every election. Spent the last two elections as a volunteer. Sent money to the party of my choice. Constantly write to my elected official and have read a ton of history books on the US and other subjects.

    What have you done?

  33. By steve on Jun 10, 2007 | Reply

    First Chris, thank you, you are an honorable and courageous person and I mean that…

    Second, fuck off for attempting to make your human experience better than mine.

    Must of have skipped over Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson in all that reading you did.

  34. By Paul Watson on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    steve,
    Please criticise the correct person. It was Lisa who demanded to know what chris had done for his country. If it’s a fair question to ask, it it’s a fair question to ask back in return, wouldn’t you say?

    And you do mean “any man who trades his fundamental liberties for the illusion of security will possess nor deserve either liberty or security” and “all men are ceated equal” Franklin and Jefferson, right? I’d say it was arguable at the least what their opinion would be on this matter.

  35. By Chris on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    As long as we are bringing up Franklin & Jefferson

    ben franklin

    Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.

    “I began to be regarded, by pious souls, with horror, either as an apostate or an Atheist” (Ibid, p. 22).

    Jefferson
    Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

    -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

    What is it men cannot be made to believe!

    -Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)

    Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

    -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

    Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

    -Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

    I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote “Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?”)

    I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789

  36. By tos on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    I give to many charities. St Jude’s Children’s hospital. The American Cancer Society,ASPCA and the Humane Society. I also volunteer in my village to help the elderly by taking them to Dr appointments,shopping for them or helping them with laundry.I also volunteer at a local agency near me to do fund raisers for retarded children. I also contributed to Katrina victims and the Little Shelter here by me as they took in alot of the animals and needed money because more than half the dogs rescued were infested with heart worms and the treatments are expensive.
    But the difference is I don’t complain about it and blame anyone for it.
    I vote too but I would hope most people do.

    Thank you for your military service Chris. Even though I am female I wanted to join the Navy but was rejected due to migraines. I did spend 4 years in the Naval Corps. I lost 2 cousins in Viet Nam. One pysically and one mentally. He still lives at the VA to this day. My Dad and my Uncle were career military people plus my brother my aunt and uncle were all in the service. Not that it has to do with me I just thought I’d mention it.

  37. By Jersey McJones on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    “But the difference is I don’t complain about it and blame anyone for it.”

    Typical con. No accountability. No wonder you cons fail at everything.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2007/05/16/a14a_leadedit_pumps_0516.html

    “Not only did a Deerfield Beach company with strong ties to Jeb Bush and the Republican Party win the $32 million contract, Moving Water Industries Corp. also sold the government its typographical errors. The corps sent out bids for the pumps with specification language copied verbatim from the company’s catalog, typos included. The phrase “abrasive resistance steel” should have read “abrasion resistant.” The bid request also parroted other erroneous references in the catalogue, including the type of steel required.”

    The pumps don’t work.

    JMJ

  38. By tos on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey-That has nothing to do with what I wrote. Besides the only people you blame for anything is the “cons” because I guess everyone else is just perfect to you.

  39. By Chris on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    I’m confused

    I also contributed to Katrina victims and the Little Shelter here by me as they took in alot of the animals and needed money because more than half the dogs rescued were infested with heart worms and the treatments are expensive.
    But the difference is I don’t complain about it and blame anyone for it.

    Are you equating sick people with sick dogs?

  40. By tos on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    Well they both needed help and unfortunatley the sick dogs were a result of not being cared for in the first place. It’s like if you can’t afford to care for children or animals you shouldn’t have either one.
    The sayin goes anyone that mistreats an animal is more likely to mistreat a person.

  41. By Jersey McJones on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    Tos, I blame whoever is accountable for mistakes and malfeasance. You don’t

    Good for you though for helping animals. My wife and I are very active in that community.

    JMJ

  42. By tos on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    Jersey-Thank you.Even when I was a kid I always took in a stray cat here and there and then I would ask to keep them after I smuggled them into my room.
    Back to accountability-I do hold people accountable for things. The problem is you should hold more people accountable instead of picking and choosing to fit your agenda.

  43. By Chris on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    While I agree one should not mistreat animals. I can not equate the lack of health care for human beings with the lack of health care for pets.

  44. By tos on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    It’s not lack of health care for pets Chris. It’s called neglect. Obviously Chris you are not a fan of pets but there are people that treat them like family members because that’s what they are to alot of people.
    Like I said previously if you can’t care for something you have no business having it. And I mean children as well as animals. Both are considered a “responsibility” with “accountability”

  45. By Jersey McJones on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    I don’t know, Tos. I’m an equal opportunity cynic, I think. It’s just the the cons held most of the power in the states, locales, and feds for quite a while (not so much anymore). So, yes, of course they’d get the brunt of my cynicism.

    JMJ

  46. By christopher Radulich on Jun 11, 2007 | Reply

    It is not that I do not like pets. But if you ask which has my priority I have to go with people.

  47. By Jersey McJones on Jun 12, 2007 | Reply

    I hear ya’ chris. But Tos and I just figure that someone has to help the little critters. We all give to people-charities as well. But the little (and big) critters need help too. These are not mutually exclusive charities.

    JMJ

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