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Senior Moments…

June 3rd, 2008 | by Jet Netwal |

Sen. John McCain had one of his infamous “senior moments” while speaking at a campaign rally in Nashville today. “If we do everything right — and we can and we will — I will win in January,” he said, “and I will be the next President of the United States.”  — Think Progress

You do that John. I think the Democrats will stick to the original plan and win in November.

  1. 25 Responses to “Senior Moments…”

  2. By Steve O on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    LOL!!!! I won the election on a Tuesday, no it was a Wednesday! I bombed Iran on Thursday or was it Friday?

    Look at me, I’m a cat, meow!!!!

  3. By Paul Merda on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    LOL! Egad… Whoever is his running mate will most certainly be president…

  4. By rube cretin on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Ole John and i are of approximate the same generation.
    Been watching his thinking and lucidity fairly closely with interest. Many of us older folks loose the chain thought every now and then. Seems to come with the territory, We are often startled when we realize our mouth has continued to verbalize nonsense and other forms of the bullshit species when our brain has been in neutral the whole time. Now i’m not saying we are all like that. Some are as sharp as a tack. But for many there are symptoms of something amiss at times. Some sort of subconscious physic happening just burps out frequently elongated enigmatic statements of interest to few if any of the listeners.

    Unfortunately, this bullshit is often given credence by the younger generations who frequently believe the elderly have actually seen something only maturity can see. We senile old bastards are frequently given deference in matters of consequence, and of minor importance. But the really serious shit ought to be within the purview of agile, mature, and vigorous minds of younger folks. One thing concerns me about John. The old man doesn’t seem to have learned the real lesson of war. Hell the man had a front row seat in one of the more hellish aspects of war and came away apparently clueless about wisdom of this very sorry human enterprise.

    You know somehow i believe sometimes he will actually be elected. Think about it. The plutocracy put an idiot in charge during the last 7.5 years. Now they have an angry old man standing in the wings. The democrats better get their shit together.

  5. By Lisa on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Good thing McCain didn’t say there were 57 states. He would have never gotten the same pass Obama did.

  6. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    I notice, to my own chagrin, that I find myself, mid sentence, at a loss for a simple, common, everyday word and think, “Crap, what’s happening to me?” I spent 20 + years in school, garnered several degrees and have collected a fairly large working vocabulary but, at times, simply cannot come up with one simple word for the concept I wish to convey.

    Man, that’s a disconcerting feeling.

  7. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Well, just move the “and” back two words in the sentence and add a comma and you’ve got a perfectly coherent sentence: ““If we do everything right — and we can and we will — I will win and, in January, I will be the next President of the United States.”

    Honestly, though, Lisa has a point. Why is this a senior moment for John McCain when Obama’s addition of 10 states to the union is the understandable garbling that can affect anyone who speaks a lot? That does seem a bit of a double standard to me.

  8. By Jet Netwal on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    It’s a double standard? More like tit for tat. We all hear about everything Obama says that isn’t perfect. Turn-about’s fair play, kids.

  9. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Jet,

    I don’t have a problem with pointing out McCain’s mis-speaking. What I object to is the implication that his mis-speaking is a sign that he’s just too old and growing senile whereas Obama’s just tired. Those two are not the same. No one is saying that Obama’s in early onset dementia but John McCain’s every mis-speak is a reason to consider him unfit for office.

    That’s the double standard I’m talking about.

  10. By Lisa on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    You know why Obama wasn’t criticized for that Craig because he was correct. There are actually “57″ Islamic states.

  11. By Paul Merda on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Egad lisa, really, still going on about a man who obviously isn’t muslim…. You can’t have it both ways; either his preacher is an ass and we shouldn’t elect Obama because he went to church services there, or he is a closet muslim who wants to make the USA part of the Caliphate.

  12. By Lisa on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Okay we will disregard the comment in his book that says he will stand with the Muslims
    And by the way Paul he was raised a Muslim.
    I guess “Hussein” is his Christian name?

  13. By steve on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Why isn’t Hillary’s remarks regarding RFK campaigning when he was assassinated not called a “senior moment”?

    My apologies in advance to Lisa, I am probably the only person on the planet, next to my Dad and my son with our Jewish middle name and last name combination. In fact my son’s entire name is Jewish. We are not Jewish. If my son runs for president someday, people will call him Jewish. So I don’t buy the Osama Obama is a muslim argument.

  14. By steve on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    damn strike tag didn’t work!!!

  15. By Jet Netwal on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Fixed. ;-)

  16. By Jet Netwal on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    I’m thinking because she’s 60? Not exactly senior.

    Craig, McCain’s age will be a source of scrutiny. President is a taxing job, and age and health are going to be looked at. Why wouldn’t they. A lot of people depend on a stable, healthy presidency. There is also medical evidence to back up the deterioration of age, and between 70 and 80, the body does chenge. I don’t see why this is even a big deal.

  17. By mr bigstuff on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    steve,
    you sure you’re not jewish? you go to awful long lenghths to dispel such a notion. the greatest active college basketball coach, bruce pearl is jewish. maybe you should give it a shot. joe lieberman would be proud of you. my brothers name is michael which means he who is like god in hebrew. i sure hope so because that means i got a front row seat in the best sky box available in the exxon mobil pearly gates arena. can’t wait for the big show. i wish w and the neocons would hurry up with those end times. i’m getting tired of waitin’.

  18. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Jet,

    And his age should be a source of scrutiny. His health is excellent, or so we hear from his doctors via his medical reports. The point is, no one here is a neurologist, that I know of, and no one here has examined him so no one here is qualified to determine if a particular instance of misspeaking is a sign of degenerating mental capacity and therefore treating McCain’s misspeaking any differently from Obama’s misspeaking is a double standard in my book.

    Bush has made bushisms famous and they can be a source of merriment but I just think suggesting that they mean something different in McCain than in Obama is unfair.

    I suspect that if I were suggesting that Obama’s 60 states were a sign of early onset dementia, you’d think it a rather bigger deal than you do when when it is suggested that McCain is on the downhill slide into the same condition.

    To misspeak is a human trait. We all come out with poorly chosen turns of phrase from time to time, making hash of what we intended. This proves that McCain is human, like Obama; not that he’s becoming mentally incapacitated.

  19. By Jet Netwal on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    A pattern of mis-speaks can be indicative of a problem Craig. Think Progress links to an additional incident in the bit I quoted. McCain is asking to run the country. He can take the public examination, or he never should have run in the first place. We already fumbled for two years with Reagan.

    The country gets to question somebody asking for their vote. You don’t think Kennedy’s age was questioned? Too young for the job is the same as too old. Legitimate questions, not immediate disqualification.

  20. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Two (by your count) misspeaks is a pattern? Sure. And Obama has had his share, too. So how, exactly, do you suggest that non neurologists go about determining whether two incidents (to take your count) constitutes a neurologically significant number of misspeaks?

    All I ask is that the country not count similar evidence from two candidates as though they were indicative of two different things in the absence of any confirmed medical opinion.

  21. By Jet Netwal on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    I didn’t say that. I indicated merely that the link above directed to another one. I said as a general concept, that patterns can be indicative. At least that’s what I meant.

    All I ask is the country pay attention and not brush stuff like this under the rug. If you want to bend over backward to not see stuff that actually happens, go to town. I won’t think it’s a sign you’re slipping. :-)

  22. By Lisa on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    Sorry Steve but Obama was raised a Muslim and studied in the Middle East so if he isn’t a Muslim now he was and in the eyes of the Muslim religion if your father is Muslim the children are.
    Not that I have anything against him being a Muslim I just wanted to bring attention to the fact there are 57 Islamic states and he is running for president of America.
    If Bobby Jindal were running I would support him but then again I find him to be more American.

  23. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    But Lisa, being considered a Muslim because one’s father was a Muslim (his father, by the way, left when he was two, which is a bit young to be talking about being raised anything in the way of religion). His step father was an atheist as was his mother so to suggest that two atheists raised their child to be a Muslim seems a stretch. His mother subsequently brought him to houses of many different faiths to experience their worship but did so explicitly NOT as faiths to be believed but as learning experiences, like taking field trips to a museum or taking a tour around several countries to see how different people live.

    You mention him having “studied” in the Middle East. Yes. Between the ages of four and ten. First he went to a Catholic school and took classes in the Christian religion. Then he went to a secular state school and took classes in the Islamic religion…all the while living in a home with two atheists who practiced nothing. So does that mean he was raised Christian before he was raised Muslim? Or does it mean that he was raised nothing in the way of religion by two parents who believed and practiced no religion?

    My guess is the latter.

    But to be raised a _________ (fill in a religion) means much more than just being exposed to the teachings of numerous different religions and parents telling you that none of them are worthy of being believed as though they were true. I was raised a Christian by two Christian parents who took me to Church and Sunday School. I was encouraged to believe the teachings as true and to live them by parents who believed Christianity to be true and who lived its teachings to the best of their ability.

    That’s what it means to be raised in a religion.

    Obama may well be considered to have been or even to be a Muslim in some cultural sense by virtue of having had a biological father who was a Muslim but in no meaningful sense was Obama “raised a Muslim”, from my understanding of his biography.

    Certainly by his own account, he was never at any time a Muslim or anything else until he heard a Christian sermon at a Christian Church and became, by his own confession, a Christian as an adult.

    No one who is not a Muslim (you’re not, are you?) considers Obama to have been a Muslim and, only then, only in the cultural sense that a non-religious Jew raised by two non-religious Jews to be non-religious is considered to be a Jew because his mother was Jewish, even though a non-believing one. Such a Jew can hardly have been said to have been raised a Jew. Nor can Obama be considered to have been raised a Muslim since he did not believe in the tenets of the Islamic religion, did not believe in (let alone submit himself to the will of) Allah and did not give any weight to the teachings of Muhammad nor the other teachings of any of the various sects of Islam.

    In no meaningful sense of the English phrase as used in America can it be said that Obama was “raised a Muslim”.

    By the way, Lisa, Obama’s gaffe about how many states he’d campaigned in posited, actually, that there were 60 states, not 57, so there is no correlation between is gaffe and that there are 57 Islamic states. That’s nonsense. It’s all nonsense.

    Obama has never been a Muslim in any meaningful sense of having believed in God according to the Islamic religion and he was not raised a Muslim.

  24. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 3, 2008 | Reply

    LOL! Egad… Whoever is his running mate will most certainly be president…

    Egad… Paul Merda just declared that John McCain will most certainly win the 2008 presidential election…

    Heh!

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

  25. By Lisa on Jun 4, 2008 | Reply

    Okay Craig I shouldn’t jump to conclusions just beause he was endorsed by the Hamas leader or is closely connected to Farakan.

  26. By Craig R. Harmon on Jun 4, 2008 | Reply

    Lisa,

    No. That’s right. You shouldn’t jump to conclusions. It’s a very bad habit. You should break yourself of it post haste.

    The Hamas leader did not endorse Obama at least to the extent that we can take his words seriously at all, because he (the Hamas leader) thought Obama had been raised a Muslim; he (the Hamas leader) endorsed Obama because he (the Hamas leader) thought Obama like John F. Kennedy and because he (the Hamas leader) thought Obama would be less pro-Israel and take a more neutral stance between the two parties in the Middle East search for peace and coexistence. Obama doesn’t have to be a Muslim for a Hamas leader to think that; he only need listen to what Obama says about talks with all parties in the region, what foreign policy advisers he has gathered around him and compare that to John McCain and Hillary Clinton. From his point of view, Obama, because of those things mentioned above, seemed the most likely to give the Palestinians a more open hearing.

    As for Farrakhan, his personal connection to the Nation of Islam leader is actually pretty weak. Rev. Wright’s, on the other hand, is much closer. But then, there’s no actual relationship of which I am aware. But even if there were a relationship, the question would be of what sort the relationship is. In this regard, Obama’s relationship with Wright was significant, I think, because Obama chose him and his Church, regularly attended services and listened to Wright’s preaching, saw the various programs run by the Church for the people of its community and was impressed. Aside from Farrakhan’s work among the black community, I know of nothing similar to Obama’s relationship to Wright and TUCC that Obama has with Farrakhan, a relationship that could fairly be said to indicate anything like a sharing of faith between the two. If you know of something that does, please share, but I don’t.

    But all that aside, you asserted not just that a Hamas leader had declared himself to favor Obama in November, or was connected in some way to Farrakhan. You asserted that Obama had been raised a Muslim. Neither the endorsement nor the Farrakhan connection, such as it is, is evidence that necessarily leads to the conclusion that Obama was raised a Muslim.

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