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Which Ticket is Smarter?

September 14th, 2008 | by Steve O |

Obama:
Occidental College (Los Angeles) - 2 years studying Politics and Public Policy.
Columbia University (New York) - B.A. Political Science with a specialization in International Relations.

Harvard Law School - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude, Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review.

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and a B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899.

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester - Business Administration.
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - General Studies.
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - Journalism.
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester.
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism.

Hat tip Momocrats Rage Against the McCain

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  1. 17 Responses to “Which Ticket is Smarter?”

  2. By steve on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    That don’t mean shit…

    I have a job MBA’s dream of and I have a freaking degree in Music.

    Most billionaires have 2.7 GPA’s at mediocre schools and a lot of them did not graduate college.

  3. By Steve O on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Steve, can you please provide a link for your statistics? Who sponsored the study, the RNC?

    And I do not get how anyone can discount education as a qualification for POTUS. There is not a corporation out there that would look at McCain or Palins educational experience and hand over the reigns of the company to them. Not one.

  4. By manapp99 on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    George W Bush:

    “Bush attended Yale University, where he received a Bachelor’s degree in history in 1968″

    “Bush then attended Harvard University, where he earned his MBA,[27] and completed his six-year service obligation in the inactive reserve.[28]”

    You still want to equate education with who is smarter?

  5. By steve on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    eh… I will put up the links after football… Sorry you couldn’t find them Steve O.
    I am busy watching the raiders at my parents and Elijah has elmo on my laptop to keep him quiet. Just added wifi to parents house and they are tripping that I can use the iPod to browse.

  6. By Steve O on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Manapp, so one person with a supposed education fucks up the country and that taints it all for anyone else with a high level of education? Sorry, that doesn’t wash. And yes I will bet that Obama is extremely smarter than George W. Bush.

    Steve, wait until January rumor has it that one of Apples upgrades will be to add universal remote capability to the iphone. How fucking cool will that be?

    Just think, Sarah Palin will be able to run around with all her remotes on her phone plus the nuclear button. She could wipe out Moscow while she’s surfing her soap operas.

    You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.

  7. By steve on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    I am stuck with Sprint for work… Upgrading tomorrow for the 3G network.

    “You can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.”

    If you are into doing pigs…

  8. By Paul Watson on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Apologies for thread jacking, but all this talk about pigs in the current environment means I am obliged to post this. (http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2931 )

  9. By Cranky Liberal on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Err of course Mannap George was a the son and grandson of rich powerful men and a legacy I believe. He didn’t actually get IN to those schools, he was let in to ensure endowments. Much like John McCain was let into this Naval Academy because dad and granddad were alumni.

    Obama got in on ability and smarts. Thats the difference. And please Steve do not tell me that it doesn’t make a difference. That BS argument is the kind of thing your side lieks to toss aroudn as you devalue education at every turn. yes you have a nice job with yoru music degree but I’ll take a Harvard or Yale etc educated man (who earned their degree) over the vast majority of folks any day for a reason - the education is better. When are we going to quit calling smart, ambitious people who rise above the crowd elitist?? You want to be led by the common moron and for 8 years you have been… can we try the smart guy for a change? Please?

    No wait, that would threaten your manhood to have a guy who can use a 3 syllable word now wouldn’t it.

  10. By Lisa on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    You couldn’t get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
    You couldn’t become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
    You couldn’t get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
    You couldn’t join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
    You couldn’t get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.
    BUT….

    ‘From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
    That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
    After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days?
    We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that’s all it is - a start.

    AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public seems to feel comfortable with this and campaigning for him.

    We wouldn’t accept this in our own line of work, yet some are OK with this for the President of the United States of America ?

    Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol.

    “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents…” James Madison

  11. By Steve O on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Lisa, but Sarah Piglin has enough experience?

    Now seriously, in 143 days (if that is correct) Obama was able to;

    Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

    Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

    Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate.

    His record is in fact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois.

    Most of his legislative effort has been in the areas of:

    * Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills)
    * Health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills)
    * Consumer protection/labor (14 bills)
    * The needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills)
    * Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills)
    * Foreign Policy (10 bills)
    * Voting and Elections (9 bills)
    * Education (7 bills)
    * Hurricane Katrina Relief (6)
    * The Environment (5 bills)
    * Homeland Security (4 bills)
    * Discrimination (4 bills)

    Wait!!!!there is more….

    Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law:

    Two addressed foreign policy:

    * Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
    * Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).

    Three addressed public health:

    * Improve mine safety (2803)
    * Increased breast cancer funding (597)
    * Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).

    Two addressed openness and accountability in government:

    * Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488 )
    * Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)

    Two addressed national security

    * Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
    * Amend the Patriot Act (2167)

    One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces

    * Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).

    Of the 570 bills Senator Obama introduced into the Senate during the 109th and 110th Congress (Senate Bill numbers are in parentheses), they can be summarized as follows:

    25 addressed Energy Efficiency and Climate Change

    * Suspend royalty relief for oil and gas (115)
    * Reduce dependence on oil; use of alternative energy sources (133)
    * Increase fuel economy standards for cars (767, 768 )
    * Auto industry incentives for fuel efficient vehicles (1151)
    * Reduce green house gas emissions (1324)
    * Establish at NSF a climate change education program (1389)
    * Increase renewable content of gasoline (2202)
    * Energy emergency relief for small businesses and farms (269)
    * Strategic gasoline and fuel reserves (1794)
    * Alternative diesel standards (3554)
    * Coal to liquid fuel promotion (3623)
    * Renewable diesel standards (1920)
    * Reducing global warming pollution from vehicles (2555)
    * Fuel security and consumer choice (1994, 2025)
    * Alternative energy refueling system (2614)
    * Climate change education (1389)
    * Low income energy assistance (2405)
    * Oil savings targets (339)
    * Fuel economy reform (3694)
    * Plug-in electric drive vehicles (1617)
    * Nuclear release notice (2348 )
    * Passenger rail investment (294)
    * Energy relief for low income families (2405)

    21 addressed Health Care

    * Drug re-importation (334)
    * Health information technology (1262, 1418 )
    * Discount drug prices (2347)
    * Health care associated infections (2278 )
    * Hospital quality report cards (692, 1824)
    * Medical error disclosure and compensation (1784)
    * Emergency medical care and response (1873)
    * Stem cell research (5)
    * Medical Malpractice insurance (1525)
    * Health centers renewal (901, 3771)
    * Children’s health insurance (401)
    * Home health care (2061)
    * Medicare independent living (2103)
    * Microbicides for HIV/AIDS (823)
    * Ovarian cancer biomarker research (2569)
    * Gynological cancers (1172)
    * Access to personalized medicine through use of human genome (976)
    * Paralysis research and care (1183)

    20 addressed Public Health:

    * Violence against women (1197)
    * Biodefense and pandemic preparedness and response (1821, 1880)
    * Viral influenza control (969)
    * End homelessness (1518 )
    * Reduce STDs/unintended pregnancy (1790)
    * Smoking prevention and tobacco control (625)
    * Minority health improvement and disparity elimination (4024)
    * Nutrition and physical education in schools (2066)
    * Health impact assessments (1067, 2506)
    * Healthy communities (1068 )
    * Combat methamphetamines (2071)
    * Paid sick leave (910)
    * Prohibit mercury sales (833, 1818 )
    * Prohibit sale of lead products (1306, 2132)
    * Lead exposure in children (1811, 2132)

    14 address Consumer Protection/Labor

    * Stop unfair labor practices (842)
    * Fair minimum wage (2, 1062, 2725, 3829)
    * Internet freedom (2917)
    * Credit card safety (2411)
    * Media ownership (2332)
    * Protecting taxpayer privacy (2484)
    * Working family child assistance (218 )
    * Habeus Corpus Restoration (185)
    * Bankruptcy protection for employees and retirees (2092)
    * FAA fair labor management dispute resolution (2201)
    * Working families flexibility (2419).

    13 addressed the Needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces:

    * Improve Benefits (117)
    * Suicide prevention (479)
    * Needs of homeless veterans (1180)
    * Homes for veterans (1084)
    * GI Bill enhancement (43)
    * Military job protection
    * Dignity in care for wounded vets (713)
    * Housing assistance for low income veterans (1084)
    * Military children in public schools (2151)
    * Military eye injury research and care (1999)
    * Research physical/mental health needs from Iraq War (1271)
    * Proper administration of discharge for personality disorder (1817, 1885)
    * Security of personal data of veterans (3592)

    12 addressed Congressional Ethics and Accountability

    * Lobbying and ethics reform (230)
    * Stop fraud (2280)
    * Legislative transparency and accountability (525)
    * Open government (2180, 2488 )
    * Restoring fiscal discipline (10)
    * Transparency and integrity in earmarks (2261)
    * Accountability of conference committee deliberations and reports (2179)
    * Federal funding accountability and transparency (2590)
    * Accountability and oversight for private security functions under Federal
    * contract (674)
    * Accountability for contractors and personnel under federal contracts
    * (2147) Restrictions awarding government contracts (2519)

    10 addressed Foreign Policy:

    * Iraq war de-escalation (313)
    * US policy for Iraq (433),
    * Divestiture from Iran (1430)
    * Sudan divestment authorization (831)
    * Millennium Development Goals (2433)
    * Multilateral debt relief (1320)
    * Development bank reform (1129)
    * Nuclear nonproliferation (3131,977,2224).

    9 address Voting/Elections

    * Prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections (453)
    * Voter access to polls and services in Federal elections (737)
    * Voter intimidation and deceptive practices (1975)
    * Senate campaign disclosure parity (185)
    * Require reporting for bundled campaign contributions (2030)
    * Election jamming prevention (4102)
    * Campaign disclosure parity (223)
    * Presidential funding (2412)
    * Integrity of electronic voting systems (1487)

    11 addressed Education

    * Increase access of low income African Americans to higher education (1513)
    * Establish teaching residency programs (1574)
    * Increase early intervention services (2111)
    * Middle school curriculum improvements (2227)
    * Public database of scholarships, fellowships and financial aid (2428 )
    * Summer learning programs (116)
    * TANF financial education promotion (924)
    * Higher education (1642)
    * Build capacity at community colleges (379)
    * Campus law enforcement in emergencies (1228 )
    * Support for teachers (2060).

    6 addressed Hurricane Katrina

    * Hurricane Katrina recovery (2319)
    * Emergency relief (1637)
    * Bankruptcy relief and community protection (1647)
    * Working family tax relief (2257)
    * Fair wages for recovery workers (1749)
    * Gulf coast infrastructure redevelopment (1836)

    5 addressed the Environment

    * Drinking water security (218, 1426)
    * Water resources development (728 )
    * Waste water treatment (1995)
    * Combat illegal logging (1930)
    * Spent nuclear fuel tracking and accountability (1194)
    * Asian Carp Prevention and Control Act (Introduced in Senate)[S.726.IS ]

    4 addressed Discrimination

    * Claims for civil class action based on discrimination (1989)
    * Domestic partnership benefits (2521)
    * Unresolved civil rights crimes (535)
    * Equality or two parent families (2286)

    4 addressed Homeland Security

    * Judicial review of FISA orders (2369)
    * National emergency family locator (1630)
    * Amend US Patriot Act (2167)
    * Chemical security and safety (2486)

    WOW just fucking WOW!!!!!! In 143 days (if that is correct) I would say that Obama’s voters got what they payed for, a hard working politician that had their best interests at heart.

    WOW just fucking WOW!!!!! You see that’s what an education will do for you. I would love to see what McCain and Piglin did in that time frame?

  12. By Lisa on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    If you are in the senate you have to address bills. Which ones did he initiate?
    Wow he sponsered or co-sponsered bills? Him and every other senator.
    So what makes him more qualified say over senators that have been in congress longer and actually put forth bills?
    Why because he sounds good and wants change and he’s charismatic? Be wary of well spoken charismatic leaders who preach change and hangs with some shady characters.

    Obama wants the world as it should be not as it is?
    That quote sounds familiar doesn’t it?
    You are hooked on this guy because he sounds good and makes you think he is for hope and change(Castro preached the same crap)Now his whole country works for him. Not like they have a choice.

    I’m Lisa and I approve this message.

  13. By Alex on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    No, not “smarter,” elitist - “Which ticket is more elitist?” :)

  14. By Steve O on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Nice try Lisa.

    I just provided fact and you provide nothing of substance in return. You tried to say that Obama did nothing in 143 days of service to his country and I just proved he earned his pay check.

    Please Lisa. You cannot approve an empty message.

    Wow and you try to link Obama to Castro and that the whole country will end up working for the evul liberals yet its your Republican president that keeps buying, I mean bailing out banks with our tax dollars.

    That is extreme nationalism which equates to fascism, I remember someone else that took all the banks under his control because he hated the evul jews. Bush=Hitler and McCain=Bush.

    Lisa, why do you hate freedom?

  15. By Steve O on Sep 14, 2008 | Reply

    Alex, you’re joking right? I added you to our blog roll because I thought you were wiberl.

    If you’re not joking I don’t quite get how being educated is elitist?

    Can someone explain that? Liberals being educated are elitists but conservatives being educated like our dear leader is not elitist? How?

    I would think that elitism is defined by someone that comes from a long line of fortune right or belongs to a select or favored group?

    Hmmm, Bush comes from money and is a member of the Skull and Bones, McCain comes from money and was part of manly groups in the Navy and alumni of the Naval Academy (which by the way should slate you for a distinguished career within the Navy yet McCain failed at that) what does that make them?

    Obama does not come from money and is self made, Biden does not come from money and is also self made. What does that make them?

    Obama and Biden definitely do not fit the definition of elitism.

  16. By Gorbe on Sep 15, 2008 | Reply

    It’s moot.

    Americans like their leaders dumb. Just like them.

    Mocking intelligence, deliberation and insightfulness excites the masses.

    Touting one’s ignorance and denying science are the mark of a true leader.

    Exhibit A: George W. Bush … twice.

  17. By Windspike on Sep 15, 2008 | Reply

    Simply because some one firmly believes themselves to be fully qualified to be vice president of the USA doesn’t make them so. Certainly, educational credentials matter. I wrote about this when the news broke that Palin had been in 4 different colleges in as many years. To me, it’s less about the diploma or the grades earned. McSame has a mediocre diploma from a very good school. That’s alright. We have plenty of experience and know what his record stands for.

    For Palin, on the other hand, we know not what her record will bear on the future if she were to be placed as Veep or worse, as President should McSame kick the bucket. So we go on what we have.

    If you look at the record of any student who couldn’t stay in one college and has to go to another to complete his or her diploma, one gets suspicious. But four? My goodness, there has to be something going on here that indicates either a) her lack of ability in academic areas, b) her inability to follow through with tough and challenging work, or c) something worse.

    Now, the colleges won’t be forthcoming with details about her record because it’s against the law for them to share those with the public. But a legit question for Sarah is, why so many schools in so many years? What’s behind those moves?

    We won’t know if she won’t say.

    By the way, the “elitist” moniker is a red herring. It’s designed by the elites to win over those who are easily fooled. Look at the top levels of the GOP who foisted this label as derogatory…they have the same backgrounds and wealth. Are they not equally elite?

    This is much like the whole celebrity gambit….Celebrity was bad until Sarah Palin needed it to elevate herself to where she is. Where are all the nut balls who said that Celebrity was an indicator of nothing, but celebrate Sarah as she was the next coming of Christ?

  18. By Liberal Jarhead on Sep 15, 2008 | Reply

    I wouldn’t call someone who started out poor and worked himself through law school and into the senate an elitist; I’d call him smart and hardworking.
    So who would I call an elitist? With acknowledgment to Jeff Foxworthy:

    If you have seven houses and can’t even remember how many you’ve got, you might be an elitist.

    If you think the income boundary between middle class and rich is $5 million a year ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP-0pedQeGw ), you might be an elitist.

    If you think people who bitch about losing their jobs and houses are whiners, you might be an elitist.

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