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September 22nd, 2008 | by Steve O |

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  1. 22 Responses to “THINK!”

  2. By Jet Netwal on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    THis is GREAT!!!

  3. By Liberal Jarhead on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    McCain thinks he’s just, maybe, upper middle class; when he was asked where he would draw the line between middle class and rich he thought an income of five million a year might be about right.
    He is clueless, and doesn’t even know how little he knows. Lately he’s been making Bush look smart, well-informed, and honest, and that’s a hell of a trick to pull off.

  4. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Someone somewhere, somehow must have gotten the completely mistaken impression that elitism has anything at all to do with how much money one has, cars and homes one owns, or how few. Being an “elitist” has nothing to do with money or possessions. It has to do with whom one wants running something, in this case the government: the one with the demonstrably best qualifications or the one with whom the average Joe most would like to share a beer (as opposed to an arugula salad).

    If any one of you thinks (a) Obama is more qualified to be president than McCain based upon Obama’s resume including graduation from two ivy league schools, presidency of Harvard Law Review, professorship of constitutional law at the University of Chicago and McCain’s near the bottom of his class showing at the academy…

    Then I have news for each and every one of you…

    YOU are the elitists.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  5. By Steve O on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Craig,

    I would hardly call that elitism. So what you are saying in effect is that any employer looking to fill a position is an elitist because they look at education and experience on a resume to come to a qualified consensus of who is the best qualified person for the position?

    I will remind you that John McCain owes the tax payer one aircraft carrier and 4-5 jets. From that stand point he is not qualified.

    He did poorly in school. That does not make him qualified.

    He has back more than enough failed policies over the years that do not make him qualified.

    Does thinking any of that make me an elitist Craig?

    I think not. That makes me an educated voter who is looking at the qualifications of the employee I’m about to vote or not vote for. They work for me I AM THE EMPLOYER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHO EVER THAT NEW PRESIDENT IS THEY BETTER NEVER FUCKING FORGET IT.

    People who work under the president serve at the pleasure of the president but the president serves at the pleasure of the American people.

    Does that make me an elitist? No. It makes me an educated voter who wants an educated employee.

  6. By admin on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Craig I had to laugh once I realized you were being funny. Good use of sarcasm. Yeah who would want a smart guy who accomplished so much running the country vs well, John McCain.

  7. By admin on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    He does touch on a point. Being an elitist is thinking you know better than the average person, not how much you make. Being an elitist is thinking that no matter how big the lie people will buy it because they are stupid. Being an elitist is preaching one thing and practicing another because you know no one will catch you. It’s pretending to be a man of the people while your wife wears 300,000 worth of clothing. Not the clothing mind you, the pretending.

    Oh wait, maybe that’s not an elitist, maybe that’s just being a cynical prick.

  8. By Steve O on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Was that sarcasm? My bad. I’m just pissed, don’t mind me.

  9. By Windspike on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    It appears that elitist is another one of those divisive terms that the GOP have exploited to divide the country. Of course, elitism is in the eye of the beholder, much like porn. One person’s elitist is another person’s champion.

    Perhaps this go-around, we should vote based on a person’s actions as they tend to be the best measure of what they will do in the future rather than on the false, albeit palpable notion that some one is either elitist or not.

    I do like the image, even so, in the post. Paints a clear picture of what these two folks value. McSame - luxury, basking in it. Obama, frugality, making ends meet. I know which one I’m voting for and have solid reasons for it.

    What the republicans think is elitist is part of their own downfall. They think that getting a solid education from very good institutions is a bad thing. How is that possible?

  10. By Jet Netwal on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Oh, for God’s sake.

    elitism The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

    The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
    Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

    By definition, this is the conservative movement — a drive to preserve wealth, conserve status and resources, and control the less moneyed by financial and legislative means. McCain is the elite here, not only by the manner in which he conducted his personal life, but by his voting record.

  11. By admin on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    I don’t know I guess I am elitist. I think smart, well educated people with a clue are superior governing this country than idiots. Call me silly but I resent the last 8 years.

  12. By Lisa on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    I wonder why Campbell Brown is so “bitter”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vlExEpeFlo

  13. By Lisa on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    It’s pretending to be a man of the people

    Didn’t Chavez and Castro pretend to be a man of the people?

  14. By Windspike on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Lisa,

    Smoking the GOP Crack Pipe too long and hard again? Are you saying that John McSame is the same as Castro and Chavez? He’s the one foisting the elitist argument here.

    You didn’t make one credible thread of an argument. Rhetorical innuendo doesn’t help your position one iota. Care to try and change our minds again? I remain unconvinced that you are right by any stretch of the imagination.

  15. By Lisa on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    Well WS I really didn’t expect you to agree with me.
    Obvioulsy you are convinced that Obama is the uniter that he is for all the people and that he has “vision” or a “dream” for a “new society” whatever you want to call it.
    I don’t hype up McCain the way you hype up Obama .
    The way you guys all hate Hillary if she were the nominee you would be talking out the opposite side of your mouth saying how great she is.

  16. By steve on Sep 22, 2008 | Reply

    I am actually seriously an elitist. All of you piss off!!! I am better than you.

  17. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    Steve O,

    You might not call that elitism but that’s what the dictionary calls elitism. That’s liberals’ problem, they don’t care WHAT words actually mean, like the walrus, they use words to mean whatever the heck they want them to mean and then wonder why everyone else looks at them like they’re speaking Swahili or something. You can’t communicate when you use words that way.

    Invest in a good dictionary and then look things up in them.

    admin,

    I wasn’t being funny. I was pointing out that no one here seems to have the slightest fucking idea what the word means and I thought I’d clue you all in. That’s the problem, you see, with the clueless: they think the people who actually know what the hell they’re talking about are making jokes when they correct their errors.

    And I was not at all defending McCain or, for that matter, Obama or elitists. I am one of those who do not think it a bad thing to be an elitist. I was merely correcting your error. Nothing more.

  18. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    I don’t know I guess I am elitist. I think smart, well educated people with a clue are superior governing this country than idiots.

    Well then, I guess you DO know what the word means. Congratulations. You too, Jet. Although your definition, Jet, seems to be a bit more pejorative than I would think.

    We use the word ‘elite’ correctly when we say, “Columbia and Harvard are elite institutions of higher learning.” By this we do not mean anything snobbish or full of themselves — although those who attend those institutions may or may not be full of themselves for having done so, that’s not what we mean when we describe Columbia and Harvard as elite institutions. We mean they have among the finest professors and their various programs are the best in the world and graduates in the highest ranks of their classes we call elite scholars.

    William Jefferson Clinton was an elite scholar and an elite politician (in the sense that he was ultra bright and played the political game very well indeed). Stephen Hawking is an elite physicist in the sense that he not only has mastered a field requiring brains and imagination of the highest order but is capable of making the most difficult concepts in that difficult field comprehensible for the lay reader. Obama is an elite scholar from elite schools who taught an elite subject at an elite school and an elite politician in as much as he has risen from near obscurity into probably the next president of the United States. I’ve read his books and was quite impressed not only with the clarity of his writing but with the way he could comprehend more than one take on an issue. I was impressed that he could take what he saw as good from conservative thinking, was willing to reject what he saw as not so good from liberal thinking and locate himself as a sort of third-way politician. I don’t agree with many of his positions but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the skill with which he positions himself.

    In political science, elite (the best, choicest; superior), elitist (one who favors leadership by an elite), and elitism (the attitude that society should be governed by an elite group of individuals) are not pejorative terms in proper usage. They denote positive concepts that most people would agree with at least in certain fields. That’s what I’m trying to say.

    To illustrate what I mean, if one needs brain surgery, one would likely want the guy who graduated in the top of his class at the best university and who has pioneered in refining successful operating techniques and who has worked at the best hospitals for 30 years to be doing the surgery not the guy who graduated last year from Podunk Medical College near the bottom of his class and will be performing his first operation on one. If one prefers the former rather than the latter, one is an elitist when it comes to the doctors into whose hands one entrusts one’s life.

    And, as I mentioned above, if one thinks that one’s nation’s government should be run by those who have proven themselves to be the brightest and best in the field of governance, then one is, no pejorative intended, an elitist. Is there one single liberal here that that does not think that way? That’s my point.

    I mean, seriously, I would not by any means describe McCain as an elite scholar or as an elite pilot for that matter. He’s been a successful politician for a good long time in an elite political institution, the upper chamber of our federal legislature, the Senate so he must have gained a fairly high level of expertise in areas relating to the operation of Congress so, in that sense, I guess the word elite might be appropriate but that doesn’t mean he’s the most qualified American to serve as the chief executive of our country. As I’ve repeatedly stated here at BIO!, I am no McCainiac. Absolutely nothing I write should ever be taken as boosting McCain for President of the United States. I don’t even intend to vote this November so suggestions that I am some mindless McCain backer whipping out talking points for the McCain campaign are misguided and poorly informed rhetoric.

  19. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    Steve O,

    So what you are saying in effect is that any employer looking to fill a position is an elitist because they look at education and experience on a resume to come to a qualified consensus of who is the best qualified person for the position?

    If the employer seeks to employ the brightest, most accomplished candidate for the position and will accept nothing less, yes, absolutely, that employer is an elitist. People do err, in my opinion, when using “elitist” as some sort of epithet. It’s not a dirty word or an insult. I would feel honored to be considered elite in any field. Alas, I’m not. I’m rather run of the mill.

  20. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    That, of course, means that my conservative compatriots who sling the ‘elitist’ term at Obama as an insult are misusing the term, too. When I say that Obama is an elite scholar and politician, I mean it purely as a compliment.

  21. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    I am on a mission to drive the pejorative sense of the terms into well deserved oblivion. I don’t rank my chances of success too highly but I fight the good fight against ironic insult for ironic insult’s sake.

  22. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    But to answer a question posed in the post: which one do you think best represents you? How much they own of what is irrelevant to which best represents me. The one with whom I agree most on the issues facing and challenging the nation today is the one who best represents me. That would be McCain. I mean, by the standard set out in the post, the politician who best represented me would be the one who owns no homes, rents a house, owns one 16 year old Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera, and little else. It all makes for entertaining populist demagoguery but is actually meaningless as a standard for picking a candidate who best represents one.

  23. By Craig R. Harmon on Sep 23, 2008 | Reply

    I’m feeling guilty as hell about some of the comments I’ve made above. I’ve been condescending and rude and acted every kind of ass. The only mitigating factor I can claim in my defense is that I’m taking a medicine containing a rather powerful (legal) narcotic and it seems to be bringing out the absolute worst in me. I apologize for my behavior and throw myself upon the mercy of all.

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