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Further Evidence Palin\McCain Think You Are Stupid

October 9th, 2008 | by Cranky Liberal |

It makes you wonder about the forthrightness, the truthfulness of the plans that he is telling America in regards to the economic recovery because that is first and foremost on Americans’ minds. - Sarah Palin on Obama and Bill Ayers

When you consider the fact they are lying about the Obama-Ayers “friendship” in the first place, one has to not only question the Palin\McCain tickets forthrightness, but must seriously question whether they care at all about what is truth and what is fabrication these days. In the end it is just another example of them counting on the fact you are to stupid to notice the difference.

I guess given their steady decline and continued failure to convince people their policies are better, this is all they have left. As someone once said, there is no there there.

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  1. 35 Responses to “Further Evidence Palin\McCain Think You Are Stupid”

  2. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Since both sides are lying about a whole host of issues you can clearly question the “forthrightness” of both campaigns. One of which will be leading this country shortly.

    This is not new to this campaign. Every campaign on every level from local school board to President has half truths, spins and outright lies.

    If telling lies by the McCain camp is due to their steady decline etc, what is Obamas excuse?

    A line from sums it up.

    “We won’t attempt to assess which side is more deceitful, a task that would require subjective judgments about the degree of untruthfulness and the relative importance of each misleading statement. But, sadly, each side is correct to say the other has used false attacks.”

  3. By Liberal Jarhead on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    AND here we go again, with the favorite Republican tactic, changing the subject! “But Moooooommmmm, they did it too!”
    Yeah, some of the stuff coming out of the Obama campaign is shaky too, and that’s wrong. But it’s McCain and Palin who are running what commentators on all sides are calling the dirtiest and most dishonest campaign in living memory. And as Tom is noting here, it’s particularly galling that even after something they say is shown to be a lie, and that’s widespread enough in the news that everyone paying attention knows it’s a lie, they just keep saying it anyway. It’s like Cheney and the Al Qaeda/Saddam connection. It reminds me of a four-year-old caught redhanded doing something he’s not supposed to be doing, standing there blandly insisting that he didn’t do what you just saw him do, and apparently thinking that as long as he keeps saying it he can get away with it. They need to be spanked, put in time out, and sent to bed early.

  4. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    “But it’s McCain and Palin who are running what commentators on all sides are calling the dirtiest and most dishonest campaign in living memory.”

    Got links?

  5. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    I guess how the media smeared Palin mean nothing? I guess the Obama camp sn’t behind that one. Amazing how the focus on her inexperience took the attention off Obama’s inexperience. You know what Biden said.
    All I can add is if McCain had ties to say a KKK guy who bombed black churches or even an Ayers type he would have had to step down because the media would have been relentless in their quest to get that done.

  6. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    When you look at every substantive fact check out there, it boils down to this simple fact. Obama is often dinged for stretching the truth or being misleading but not presenting some qualifier. This is politics as usual. It is not to be condoned, but it is how the world works. For the most part the fact checks support his claims over and over and over.

    The McCain fact checks normally come down to False. Repeatedly they have been called out for lying. Not shading the truth, not presenting the best case scenario - lying. This is a case of pure, evil lying. There is NO shred of truth. There is NO substantive proof. It has been debunked countless times but they present it as if they “know” something we don’t. It is sick and disgusting and exactly what I expect from the Palin\McCain ticket who long ago (can it be long ago if you’ve only been around 6 weeks?) flushed any pretense of civility and maturity.

    Do not be distracted into thinking both campaigns are acting equal. The Palin\McCain camp is not resorting to all out character assassination through lies and tawdry innuendo. If you think its true you Are stupid. If you think it’s the same on both sides, you Are stupid. If you wrote the comment defending Palin\McCain…..

  7. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    The media smeared Palin by what? What lie does the media continue to proliferate? who said anything about the Media anyhow? I never said Fox was lying, I said PALIN AND MCCAIN. The candidates. Stay on topic or go home.

  8. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    You want links Manapp? Try google dude..over six thousand news links just to the phrase, smear campaign:

    He never stays on topic…thread hijacker just like the other rightwing nutjob..who shall remain nameless at this point in time. ;)

  9. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Um Lisa McCain has plenty of ties to bad bad people. Hell he even has a tie to Ayers since he was endorsed by the Annenberg Foundation and it was HIS foundation that Ayers and Obama worked for. How dare John McCain associate with people who would hire a terrorist.. HOW DARE HE!! (snark)

  10. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Hey Dusty - like i said in the post, there is no there there with those people. They are indeed proof that my headline was correct.

  11. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    George Will has a good column up today about Fuckwit McCain:

    This, McCain and his female Sancho Panza say, is demonstrated by bad associations Obama had in Chicago, such as with William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist. But the McCain-Palin charges have come just as the Obama campaign is benefiting from a mass mailing it is not paying for. Many millions of American households are gingerly opening envelopes containing reports of the third-quarter losses in their 401(k) and other retirement accounts — telling each household its portion of the nearly $2 trillion that Americans’ accounts have recently shed. In this context, the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempt to get Americans to focus on Obama’s Chicago associations seems surreal — or, as a British politician once said about criticism he was receiving, “like being savaged by a dead sheep.”

  12. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Dusty, I googled McCain+dirtiest campaign in memory and did not find this list of commentators on all sides LJ threw out there.

    Perhaps you have the links?

    I know it is early in California but wake up Dusty. The thread was about honesty in campaigns. This is exactly what I have been addressing. It was Lisa that brought the media smear of Palin and she is a she not a he.

  13. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    That’s George Will of the liberal mainstream media right? Oh wait…he’s an old school Conservative. What he didn’t get the Palin\McCain script in time?

  14. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    No this thread was about Palin and McCain lying because they know your stupid enough not to care about the truth. This was not about elections are not always honest. Refute the MCCAIN lie manapp99. Show me that THAT lie is truthful and I’ll shut up. Don’t change the topic or broaden it, focus on the issue I raised. Is that to hard?

    Oh wait, of course it is because you cant prove a known lie isn’t a lie.

  15. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Alright, here is the quote used to start the post:

    “It makes you wonder about the forthrightness, the truthfulness of the plans that he is telling America in regards to the economic recovery because that is first and foremost on Americans’ minds. - Sarah Palin on Obama and Bill Ayers”

    I see no lie there.

    I do wonder about Barry-O’s forthrightness and truthfulness of the plans that he is telling America in regards to the economis recovery.

    You should too.

    Lets talk after he fails to implement the bullshit he is selling to get elected and we will review what he said he would do and what he does. If he comes through I will sing his praises. If he is proven to be a liar you can repudiate him.

    I suspect we are in for years of looking back and blaming Bush for Obama’s future failings.

    Look at how he lied in the primaries to get the left vote.

    NAFTA, FISA, campaign funding, offshore drilling, use of nuclear etc.

    This is a pattern you wish not to see.

  16. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    And don’t forget that he voted to bail out the wall street fat cats. He knows where his future bread will be buttered and he will be beholden to the same money all corrupt, lying, politicians that have come out of Chicago have been beholden to in the past.

    Meet the new boss.

  17. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    FlipFlop McCain didn’t change his stand on anything right manapp?

    Go ahead..tell me he hasn’t..and I will not only call you a liar, I will show you where he has..including his most recent flip..on bailing out homeowners.

  18. By manapp99 on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    McCain is just another lying politician as well, Dusty.

    Does this make you feel better about Obama?

    Do you really think he is going to be any different?

    It is not a matter of who is a liar, they both are. It is not a matter of who is owned by big money, they both are. Why do you all pretend that one is dirty and the other clean. Are you really that delusional?

    Talk about changing the subject.

  19. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Poor people will still be poor under Oabama but they will feel better about it .

  20. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    First off, thanks for assuming manapp, your so full of shit that your eyes should be brown.

    Its the lesser of two evils as always.

    For your greedy little ass, its all about money isn’t it? How much will you get to sock away and how much you can keep others from know, the middle class, the elderly and disabled.

    So, you cried uncle on my offer to point out where McCain has flipflopped? :lol:

  21. By Paul Merda on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Is this really news, we have all known for some time that middle-class GOP voters are indeed stupid. Especially the religious conservatives. Has abortion been outlawed yet? NO! Has the GOP balanced a budget yet? NO! What other BS has the GOP promised and never done even when they had absolute power?? The list is long. And yet the manapp of our country will line up to vote for the GOP once again….stupid indeed! The GOP knows they are stupid, its why they won the last two Pres. elections. Besides, its the swing-voters whose 401k plans are now worth 10-20% less today that will vote for the Dems and put Obama in office.

    “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” - Stephen Colbert

  22. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    On the ads by both campaigns:

    To date, according to the report, 73 percent of McCain’s ads and 61 percent of Obama’s have been negative. But those figures changed dramatically in the past week. The study found that nearly 100 percent of McCain’s ads since Sept. 28 and 34 percent of Obama’s have been negative.

    Oh, and here is a goodie:
    Some observers are decrying the negative turn taken in the race. The New York Times’ editorial writers accused McCain and Palin of “running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember,” replete with “race-baiting and xenophobia.”

  23. By Windspike on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Poor people will still be poor under Oabama but they will feel better about it.

    And this advances your position, Lisa, how?

  24. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    It shows that people will be no better off under the democrats but the media will focus on how wonderful things are purposely ignore how bad off the ones under Obama are that were bad off under Bush but were so well of under Clinton.

  25. By Windspike on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    But you said “They will feel better.” Isn’t that at least something? Minimally, that’s not “no better.” Your logic is seriously flawed, Lisa.

    BTW, How do you know what the media will do?

  26. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    BTW, How do you know what the media will do

    Because that’s what they do. You don’t think the media has tried to influence elections before? They’ve been doing it since the 50’s

  27. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    The context of that quote is her saying that Obama is being untruthful about his relationship with Ayers. They have falsely been asserting that he and Ayers are friends, pals, buddies etc. This is a lie. Lie. There is NOTHING that relationship or his answers about it that should make anyone question his forthrightness about anything.

    TO do so is simply to look stupid, desperate and juvenile. IF I sound like I hold you and your ilk in contempt it is because I do. I do not suffer fools easily, and this country has suffered for the last 8 years thanks to them.

    This again is not about the media Lisa, quit threadjacking.

  28. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    What is their relationship then Tom? Without being vague.
    SO what are the business partners? Agenda promoters?
    Obama said he was a guy from the neighborhood. Do you beleive that is the only relationship?
    So what did they try to use on McCain that he was born in Panama? Meanwhile we still wait for proof on Obama’s citixenship. And if it proves he was born in Kenya watch how the laws all of a sudden change to his benfit.

  29. By Paul Merda on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Bwaaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaa. Another hilarious diatribe that you can’t possible believe Lisa. Good lord, you crack me up. Thanks again. Whew. Have you ever thought about a career in comedy? I mean really, you r satire of republicans is so good. Stephen Colbert has nothing on you…

  30. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Christ almighty…your really out there Lisa.

    Obama never raised the issue of McSame’s birthplace.

    The lies are being told on the rightwing side of the aisle. One would think if you really wanted to know Obama’s relationship to Ayers, not that it fucking matters, you would read up on it.

  31. By Dusty on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    CNN Fact check wrote about Palin’s claim that Obama is palling around with terrorists, “Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now “palling around,” or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.”

    The Associated Press: Obama And Ayers Relationship Is “Exaggerated At Best If Not Outright False:”

    Her reference to Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were “pals” or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career. Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers’ radical views and actions.

    The Washington Post:

    Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001.

    …The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board.

    WTF else do you idiots need to prove this is all bullshit by McDesperate?

  32. By admin on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    You know what, I’m tired of this so I’m going to say it and hurt feelings. If you really believe any of this stuff you’re a fool. How you put your pants on in the morning is beyond me. We have shown you countless times facts not innuendo yet you still want to believe Obama is “controlled” by “others” and has secret “partnerships” with Ayers and is not “American” even though you offer no evidence (because there is NONE). You live in fantasy land and people like you need to take their medication. I want to like you because you are a loyal reader but at this moment I think you represent everything that makes our country weak. You do not use your brain. You are divorced from reality. You would rather vote against the a man with a clear plan and steady hand because he’s (pick your stereotype).You have not once given a factual reason for your thinking. It is what it is, you are entitled in this country to be an idiot and you excorsise that right ever time you post here. YOU are the reason this country is falling apart at the seams YOU. Look in the mirror and when the hallucinations and paranoid delusions stop, ask yourself why you rail against reality with every once of your strength? It must be a dark and scary world inside your brain at times. I would pity you, but I’m to consumed pitying the nation that has to rely on people like you voting.

  33. By Lisa on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    You crack me up Tom. Do you know how many voters are voting for Obama who are totally clueless. That’s why they should up the voting age.

    He’s sounds steady but he is all over the place. He may fool you with the smooth talk and that’s all it is. The guy with all the experience.
    The guy who is for the middle class. Yeah right. Tax cuts for the middle class?I call BS
    on that. Can’ wait to get my extra 20.00 a week whoo hoo!

  34. By Windspike on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Do you know how many voters are voting for Obama who are totally clueless.

    I think the equation is a direct inverse relationship with the number of people that think McSame/Palin is good for America.

  35. By Chris Radulich on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    We know the percentage of McSame supporters who are clueless 100%

  36. By Liberal Jarhead on Oct 9, 2008 | Reply

    Well, Lisa is definitely our resident expert on cluelessness, our very own Mistress of the Non-Sequitur… voting age? What does that have to do with cluelessness? “My fellow prisoners” McCain is the one who talks about trouble on the Iraq-Pakistan border and doesn’t know what hemispheres Spain or Venezuela are in, and he’s almost old enough to be Obama’s grandfather. Palin is a mean-spirited, ignorant, speaking-in-tongues-cult-member nut. They both persist in repeating lies that have long since been debunked, and only idiots persist in believing them and repeating those lies (well, not necessarily idiots - the other possibilities are deliberate lying or insanity. So are you stupid, lying, or nuts?)

    Clueless voters like you don’t like Obama, because intelligent candidates who express concepts too complex to fit on a bumper sticker frighten them. It’s like that episode of my grandkids’ favorite cartoon, Jimmy Neutron, where he wanted to talk about something important in science class and one of the other kids grabbed his head and moaned, “Big words, they hurt, they hurt!” So the class ended up voting Republican, excuse me, I meant making macaroni sculptures - instead.

    You should be damned glad that they let just about anyone vote in this country, because if there were any requirement for common sense or comprehension of reality you’d be SOL. People like you would be funny, except that you’re a malignant threat to the Constitution and country I love. Conservative is not an accurate term in this case; to be a conservative is to try to conserve something, and neocons are out to destroy rather than preserve - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Gonzales, Coulter, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Robertson - and their pipsqueak acolytes like you. In forums like this, you muddy the waters. You lie. You are either unable or afraid to debate honestly. Your politics are based on bigotry, envy, division, fear, and selfishness. Day in and day out, with your arguments you attack and undermine the principles on which this country was founded and for which so many good people, people whose asses you aren’t worthy to wipe, have worked, fought, and died. I spent twenty years in the Marine Corps to protect the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and you are one of those domestic enemies. Why do you hate America?

    By the way, the numbers on the taxes that people will pay depending on whose tax plan goes into effect are pretty clear; Obama’s plan is much, much better for the middle class, and McCain’s is much, much better for the rich.

    Say goodnight, Gracie, I mean Lisa.

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