Israeli Genocide
November 16th, 2008 | by Steve O |Call it insensitive or mean spirited but I would like to point out that you don’t need an oven to commit genocide;
The Red Cross report says that “the embargo has had a devastating effect for a large proportion of households who have had to make major changes on the composition of their food basket.” Households were now obtaining 80 per cent of their calories from cereals, sugar and oil. “The actual food basket is considered to be insufficient from a nutritional perspective.” The report paints a bleak picture of an increasingly impoverished and indebted lower-income population. People are selling assets, slashing the quality and quantity of meals, cutting back on clothing and children’s education, scavenging for discarded materials – and even grass for animal fodder – that they can sell and are depending on dwindling loans and handouts from slightly better-off relatives.
You just need to coral thousands of civilians into a small parcel of land and then starve them to death. If any other country on Earth was doing this we would be expected to bomb them back to the stone age.
26 Responses to “Israeli Genocide”
By Chris Radulich on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
While this is not nice, it must be remembered that Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Isreal. For them to give aid and comfort would be the same as us giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda
By Steve O on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Uh Chris, although Hamas might be dedicated to destroying Israel it does not give Israel the right to starve an entire population of people.
Al Qaeda is hell bent on destroying America but it doesn’t give us the right to say, I don’t know, invade a sovereign nation and kill its civilians because a plan was hatched in a cave a few thousand miles away from that sovereign nation to kill Americans.
Let me ask you this, if you were living on my land and I beat the snot out of you every day and starved you because I felt that it was the only way for me to get you to submit would you trust me or would you trust the neighbor that slides food and medicine under the fence to help you survive?
By steve on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Perhaps if Hamas stopped attacking Israel this would all stop. But none of you Arab defenders seem to get that. Why do you hate freedom?
By Steve O on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Steve, most Israelis wan this to be over as much as the Palestinians do. Again, Israeli and Palestinian civilians are the losers in this.
And as I pointed out, WTF is anyone allowing Israel to do this to civilians?
I’m not defending Arabs, I’m pointing out a clear, shameful ATROCITY!!!
I don’t care what the ethnic background is, they’re human fucking beings. Want Hamas, then win over the hearts and minds don’t starve them.
By manapp99 on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
From the article you linked. The last paragraph gives one line to the Israeli defense.
“Mark Regev, the spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said that, contrary to hopes when Israel pulled out of Gaza, the Gazan people were being “held hostage” to Hamas’s “extremist and nihilist” ideology which was causing undoubted suffering. If Hamas focused resources on the “diet of the people” instead of on “Qassam rockets and violent jihadism” then “this sort of problem would not exist”, he said.”
Hamas is like the other Islamic extremist groups. They do not care about the people they only care about the cause.
If Hamas would stop launching rockets into Israel there would be no embargo.
By Steve O on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Well, manapp, if their goal was to will the Palestinians into uprising against Hamas they have failed miserably. Maybe it’s time to try a new tactic.
Embargo is such a kind word for genocide, don’t you think?
By manapp99 on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Since the article indicates that Hamas has spent it’s resources on rockets instead of food, I would say that Jihad is the word to substitute for genocide. Don’t you think?
By Steve O on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Manapp, without splitting hirs can you point to any evidence that Hamas rockets has starved and killed thousands of Israelis?
Most of their rockets never even hit a desired target. Not saying that loss of life is not a side effect it surely doesn’t warrant genocide.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.
Buchenwald concentration camp
While precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as “any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
Now with that definition in mind can you point out where any Jihad has accomplished genocide?
With that same definition in mind could you please read the article again?
Thx.
By steve on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
I think the proof is on your end Steve O, prove Hamas hasn’t spent money meant for food on rockets.
By manapp99 on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
My point was that the genocide you claim is happening by the Israelis via embargo is incorrect. The embargo is an attempt to get Hamas to quit launching rockets into Israel not an attempt at genocide. Embargos are used worldwide by many governments. We have many in effect right now. Would you say the embargo of Cuba is genocide. How about the embargo of Iran?
Genocide, as you have pointed out has a precise definition. Would you like to read the article you posted again with that definition in mind?
Further, Hamas is waging a war with Israel and is putting the nutrition of it’s people second to launching rockets.
With the equation of no rockets=no embargo, it is Hamas that is responsible for the malnutrition being experienced by it’s people.
By Chris Radulich on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Iraq was and is absurd. Afghanistan was and is not. Actions have consequences. If you declare war on a nation there are consequence.
By Badtux on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Careful. Remember, any criticism of the genocidal actions of the Israeli government means you’re anti-semitic and want to kill Jews. Jews have a monopoly on all suffering. If it’s happening to other people it’s not suffering, it’s… ponies! Yes, ponies! And if Jews do it to other people, it’s not genocide, it’s… uhm… ponies! Yes, ponies!
Hamas is evil son of a bitches. That does not, however, justify starving an entire population (of whom less than 5% are Hamas members) by embargoing United Nations food assistance. Unless you’re an apologist for genocide. It is shameful and disgusting that Israel, a nation founded on a bedrock of resistance to genocide, is itself doing the exact same thing that caused the foundation of the nation of Israel. Without shame, without self-introspection, with nothing but excuses for why it’s okay for them to commit genocide, complete with filthy propaganda comparing Palestinians to cockroaches that reads *exactly* like Nazi propaganda that compared Jews to cockroaches. It is disgusting and sickening that Jews are doing to Palestinians exactly what Nazis did to Jews — shut them into a concentration camp and starve them to death. Disgusting. Simply disgusting. There is no excuse — *NONE* — for starving a civilian population to death, no matter how evil a terrorist group within that civilian population may be. Genocide is *WRONG* no matter what excuses you make for genocide. Sorry, but genocide is genocide. Period.
– Badtux the Genocide-is-genocide Penguin
By Steve O on Nov 16, 2008 | Reply
Exactly Badtux!!!
Anyone out there thinking that the dirty Arabs are trying to extinguish the JOOOOOOS care to explain where Hamas originated from?
Just switch a few letters around and you get Al-Qaeda. It’s a fucking trumped up group, everyone needs a bad guy to fight and everyone that believes that is a fucking sheeple.
I would gladly pick up arms with a fellow civilian that is oppressed.
Why?
Because it’s fucking class warfare.
No color in that.
You starve whether you’re black, yellow, white or brown. Just seems like you starve more when you’re poor.
By steve on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Badtux and Steve O:
You have offered no proof that Israel is causing genocide on the Palestinians. Only your overblown, factually inept opinion based on some misguided, terrorist sympathizer dribble you read off some blog. Again, why do you hate freedom? Why do you support the bombing of buses and terrorizing of the Israeli people? Why do you not condemn Hamas who by default is not just terrorizing Israel, but along with Al-Qaeda is terrorizing the world? Why?
By Steve O on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Steve LOL!!! I condemn Hamas and Al-Qaeda and the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus, I also want to add that I’m not with evil either. I also renounce Satan, the Hells Angels, The Blue Angels aaaahh fuck it, I renounce all angels.
There. Happy?
Now, the blog post is linked to a report in a legitimate news source that wrote a story about a real report produced by a worldly accepted organization called the Red Cross.
Go up a few comments and read the definition of genocide.
And I’ll just remind you that the first suicide bombers in Israel were produced by Israeli terrorist groups almost 40 years ago. Tactics must be learned from some where Steve.
By manapp99 on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
SteveO, perhaps if someone were to lob a few rockets into your neighborhood you would see things a bit different. Even if “most of their rockets never even hit a desired target” as you put it.
What would you suggest the Israeli government do about continued terrorist attacks on it’s people year after year. Do you think there is anything that the Israelis could do, other than commit mass suicide, that would stop a group that has stated it’s committment to the destruction of your entire race?
Besides, your claim of genocide is not born out by the article you link. It is talking about future malnutrition if the embargo is maintained. It does not say that there is any starvation taking place or that there have been any casualties as a result of the embargo. Can Hamas claim that there have been no casualties from it’s rocket attacks?
You exaggerate what the article is claiming when you make this about genocide.
By Steve O on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Manapp,
For starters they could roll back their borders to pre-1967 lines. Problem solved.
Regardless of a terrorist groups actions, Israel has no right to kill civilians through attrition.
Lets get something straight, I am not arguing for Hamas, I am arguing that Israel has no right to kill civilians and should act like a modern fucking democracy and figure the god damn fucking problem out.
By manapp99 on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
I may have missed it and do not want to go back and reread the article but did it say that there have been deaths due to the embargo? I thought it was saying that there is a malnutrition problem that may get worse if the embargo is continued.
I do not believe Israel would be able to buy peace with the roll back of the borders you suggest. Hamas has called for armed struggle until Israels annihilation. They would have to abandon the region entirely.
By Steve O on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Manapp,
Sorry, I have linked to a new article in the post above and it indicates over 200 deaths, that can be accounted for just in the hospitals.
Israel can survive and exist but I believe it needs to be the bigger person in this conflict.
It’s a new world where conflicts will not be solved by armies and force. I would like to think that as a people would stand for justice and liberty for ALL civilians. Finally take back the world stage by beating back the bully’s.
Is that overly simplistic? Yes. But I don’t care about alliances, if an ally is not acting in accordance with the rights we think everyone deserves all funding should be cut.
It’s a big issue and I’m not a foreign policies expert but what Israel is doing is wrong on so many levels and to keep blaming small groups of extremists for your reason to exterminate the populous is bullshit.
By Craig R. Harmon on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Israel is not starving Palestinians. Palestinians are starving themselves. Instead of devoting themselves to terrorism and genocide of Israelis all these decades, they might have been devoting themselves to building an economy that was not dependent upon Israel. Then, not only would they not have grown increasingly dependent upon open borders with Israel — an openness which they singlehandedly destroyed via terrorism — but there would have been no need for Israel to have closed the border, no need for a fence. There would have been, instead, an increasingly beneficial economic boon to both Israel and Palestine.
Sorry. There is no bad guy here but Arafat (may he rot in hell) and those at the head of the Palestinian government who continue his genocidal policies toward Israel.
Steve O,
No nation should be required to participate in its own destruction. Also, when they are the democratically elected head of government, as Hamas is, you don’t get to call them “small groups of extremists”. They are the group with the policies of choice for the majority of the very people we are talking about: the Palestinians. They are to blame. Not just the ones bursting the bombs but the ones financing them, and the one’s making the policies, and the ones electing them. In short. The ones to blame here are the Palestinian people themselves. If they don’t want genocidal war against Israel, let them elect officials who will negotiate in good faith with Israel and renounce terrorism, not officials whose very charter announces their intention to destroy Israel. If they want peace and prosperity, let them elect peace-makers, not terrorists.
They don’t want peace; they want to destroy Israel and they are willing to kill themselves to do it. These are the people you are crying over. I’ll never understand it. They have chosen this for themselves. The choices they’ve made could not have led to anything else. They could not have imagined that the choices they’ve made could have led to anything else. I don’t feel sorry for them. They’ve gotten exactly what they’ve asked for.
When they ask for something else, when they demand a government that works for peace and refuses terrorism and Israel continues policies that afflict the Palestinians unnecessarily, I’ll feel sorry for the Palestinians. I’m not holding my breath. The Palestinians are afflicted with a form of insanity, I think. And I’m speaking only partially metaphorically.
By Steve O on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Sorry Craig, but the Palestinians have signed earlier agreements only to have Israel ignore their own agreements and EVERY time they have cited terrorism as the reason.
Kinda hard for a people to get up and running on their own when they keep getting kicked in the teeth.
Agreed, they can vote it out but too many generations have gone by for that course to work properly.
I wonder what would or could happen if we took all the money we give Israel and handed it to the Palestinians?
By Craig R. Harmon on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Which agreements are these?
The land grabs by Israel were consistently the defensive result of wars of aggression by Israel’s neighbors, not wars of aggression by Israel. If Palestinians lost land to Israel, they have no one to blame but their own leaders and the wars that they waged against Israel for that. If Israel hasn’t returned all the occupied lands, the Palestinian people can blame Arafat and those “small groups of extremists” they’ve since elected to head their government for that. Which is to say, in my estimation, they have none but themselves to blame.
When has the terrorism ever stopped? The Palestinian government has often claimed, whenever another terrorist attack occurred while they negotiated, that they could not control their people but even if that’s the case, until the Palestinian people, the ones who tolerate terrorists within their society acting against their interests, disavow terrorism, how can anyone expect the Israelis to loosen up their security? I can’t
The Palestinians wouldn’t get kicked in the teeth if terrorists and rockets weren’t somehow finding their way into Israel. I continue to maintain, if their were a commitment to peace by the Palestinians backed up by actual peace, the Palestinians would not get kicked in the teeth.
Okay, I admit that it’s a cycle and I’m not saying that Israel is blameless in this cycle. The settlements on Palestinian occupied lands have to go. I’m saying that, on the balance, I view the Palestinians and their terrorists as the strongest factor in the continuing cycle. Their continuing violence and electoral commitment to anti-Israeli genocide make peaceful negotiations impossible. They have to know this. At some level, you have to know this.
That is to say, I cannot, with any kind of commitment to logic or common sense, demand that Israel loosen its security while being daily the target of rocket attacks from a neighbor that has elected a terrorist organization to head its government but I can demand that Palestinians give up terrorism, indeed all violence, for a negotiated, peaceful, two-nation treaty with Israel and tolerate sanctions against the Palestinians until they come to their senses and do what they need to do to cease to be a people whose foreign policy goal is genocide and whose foreign policy tactic is perpetual terrorism.
I don’t buy the “too many generations have gone by for that course to work properly” line. When the people get fed up with continuation of the status quo, a status quo that they must know cannot change while an elected terrorist group is at the helm of their government and near daily rocket attacks are being launched into Israel by “small groups of extremists”, the public opinion will reach a tipping point and terrorism will no longer be tolerated. Terrorism will be viewed as the insanity it is and the insane will be rounded up and either killed or incarcerated for the good of Palestinian society. Then there can be good faith negotiations. Israel can then accept Palestinian negotiations as being something other than a cover for the next wave of terrorism. When peace reigns, there will be no need for walls.
I’ll tell you exactly what I think would happen if we took all the money we give Israel and gave it to the Palestinians: instead of Katyusha rockets being fired daily but mostly ineffectively into Israeli border towns, there would be much more costly and highly efficient missiles being fired into Israeli cities. I tell you, the people who would get that money do not want peaceful coexistence with Israel; they want a world map that says “Palestine” where it now says “Israel”. Giving the Palestinians the money we now give Israel would merely spark another war of defense on the part of Israel and give liberals yet another occasion to vilify Israel. That’s my opinion, anyway.
By Steve O on Nov 17, 2008 | Reply
Vilify Israel? Hardly.
They’re doing a good enough job on their own and I can guarantee you that if we actually threatened and followed through on cutting off all funding to Israel until such time that they figured out a peaceful resolution to the conflict it would be all puppies and sunshine by sun down on the Sabbath.
By Craig R. Harmon on Nov 18, 2008 | Reply
Steve O,
Sorry but that sounds to me like so much nonsense that I don’t even know how to respond so I won’t. I’ll just sign off. I never was much for debating fantasy scenarios.
By Paul Watson on Nov 18, 2008 | Reply
Craig,
As you like simple yes no questions:
Do you support countries who illegally occupy and build on other countriy’s territory in defiance of international law?
Do you support children being shot dead for throwing stones?
Do you support a family’s home being demolished because of the actions of one family member without any trial of the family (which is collective punishment and is a war crime)?
In short, why do you defend Israel when it commits war crimes but think Iraq should be punished harshly for the same crimes?
I’m not denying that Hamas are killers. But so are Israelis. Both sides are wrong on a fairly fundamental level. So if they want to kill each other because their invisible friend tells each of them that this is their rightful land and they should drive off the interlopers, why do you, a conservative, support your taxes going to fund it? Surely it isn’t the job of government to provide assistance to thieves?
By Steve O on Nov 18, 2008 | Reply
People have to have something to lose before they think twice of putting everything on the line.
It could be something so fundamental as civil rights but the Palestinians don’t have that because of the military occupation and blockade.
Israel has a multi billion dollar propaganda machine that runs in this country that has everyone convinced that the dirty Arabs are bad. I watch it every day when I see Israeli tourism commercials that are no doubt paid for in one way or another with my tax dollars. AMAZING!!!