Evangelicals and Mormons Find Common Ground
November 27th, 2008 | by Steve O |They both hate your freedom. Woke up this morning to this AFA Action Alert in my in-box;
Gays launch hate attack against Mormons because of their support for traditional marriage
Thank the LDS church for its support of Proposition 8
Dear Friend,
Homosexual activists have launched a hate campaign against the Mormons because of the church’s support for Proposition 8 in California. Prop 8 defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Here are some examples of how gays are targeting Mormons:
- A lawsuit by Fred Karger, homosexual activist, claims that the Mormons violated election laws in California.
- Richard Raddon, director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, was forced to resign when it was discovered he contributed $1,500 to support Prop 8.
- Homosexual groups are calling for the revocation of tax-exempt status.
- For more examples, Google “Mormons prop 8.”
The Mormons played a vital role in the Prop 8 battle, and traditional marriage would have lost had it not been for their support. While other churches were also involved in the battle to protect marriage – including Catholics and evangelicals – the homosexuals have singled out the Mormons as their target of anger.
I urge you to sign the petition thanking the LDS for their good work in the marriage battle. Several nationally known leaders have already expressed their support. In addition to myself, the list includes Dr. James Dobson of Focus on the Family, Charles Colson of Prison Fellowship, Tony Perkins of Family Research Council, Paul Weyrich of Free Congress Foundation, Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, and Gary Bauer of American Values. We will forward the petition to LDS leaders.
The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops has offered “prayerful support and steadfast solidarity” to the LDS church for its efforts on behalf of Proposition 8.
What on Earth are these people afraid of? Both religious hate groups are so afraid of our privacy rights that they are willing to put aside their differences for the time being but I can guarantee you that the Evangelicals would slit their own throats before stepping inside a Mormon church.
Are they for real or is it just a gimmick to excite the base and generate revenue? Really, I never understood why no one has aggressively pursued labeling these groups as hate groups on the level of the KKK. Legal action and lawsuits broke the back of the KKK over the years, why can’t the same be done with these groups?
Normal police work looks for and tries to establish patterns of behavior and these people have fanatically established patterns of hate from immigrants to gays. Why is the FBI not stomping their brains out?
I’m all for freedom of speech but as the saying goes you do not have a right to scream fire in a crowded movie theater or yell terrorist on a plane if neither exist.
Everyone that follows the radical right knows the Evangelicals disgust with Mormons in the past but these people really need to be exposed for the hate-mongering-fucktards that they are.
I wonder how much tax money, through Faith Based Initiatives, makes it’s way from Focus On the Family to the AFA? Is that too far fetched to imagine? What is more disgusting is that our tax dollars are used by these groups to attack our freedoms and our privacy?
Anyway that’s my Thanksgiving rant, I’m going to go stuff my face and give thanks that hate cannot persist because it is like a cancer that dies once it has exhausted its source of food when it kills its host and it does look like the radical right is down to eating their first born to propagate their hate.
16 Responses to “Evangelicals and Mormons Find Common Ground”
By steve on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
You are right Steve O. We must do everything we can to stop the LDS church from stringing up the gays in trees, burning crosses on their front lawns and preventing the gays from getting an education.
I’m with you man, let’s end religious beliefs or belief in any higher power.
Why do you hate freedom?
By Steve O on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Steve, why do you believe that they should legislate from the pulpit?
Honestly, what do you care if they get married? Do you believe only heterosexual couples should be taxed?
Seriously, that’s where government stops and beliefs begin. We are a diverse nation laws should be passed to protect all from harm or promote happiness. Laws should not be passed that are based purely on what you believe.
And here comes the age old argument of picking and choosing what you want out of the Bible.
Should we legalize stoning of people? It’s in the Bible.
Just remember that in the 1930’s the KKK ranks swelled to almost 3 million. It was as mainstream as the hate filled religious right and other fanatic religious groups.
In the end society will dismantle the religious right. It will happen, it is happening.
These people really should remember their roots, remember the roots of their church and their persecution at the hands of a hostile government.
Shit, as lore goes it because of their fleeing from persecution that we have Thanksgiving.
By steve on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Religion aside Steve O. You are asking that a group of people religious and secular change what they believe constitutes a marriage into what the believe will mean something else. The advocates for gay marriage are trying to impose their beliefs on someone else.
California did the right thing in putting it out to a vote. It took judges out of it, legislators out of it… etc. It asked the people, for once, to decide. And you may want to sit there and point out Mormon influence and that is fine… People still have to enter the booth and flip the switch and vote on their own. The only thing groups for and against gay marriage did for Prop 8 is bring attention to the fact there was a vote for it. It didn’t sway anyone’s decision. People vote with their hearts and not their minds… Which is mainly why Obama won.
And truth be told, in California, Obama and most liberal people running for office won on the fact they were liberals. It was liberalism’s own kind that voted against gay marriage and not necessarily conservatism which we all knew would vote one way already. It is liberalism that did in the Prop 8 vote… not the church.
By steve on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
“Religion aside Steve O. You are asking that a group of people religious and secular change what they believe constitutes a marriage into what the believe will mean something else. The advocates for gay marriage are trying to impose their beliefs on someone else.”
uggh… nice syntax Steve. What I mean is you are asking a group of people that believe one way to change that belief to something else. It is not an easy thing to change beliefs.
By Chris Radulich on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
No one is asking for them to change beliefs, only to stop imposing them on others.
I know that churches can not endorse candidates and keep their tax exempt status ( though some are challenging that). Can the church contribute money to a political cause or only it’s members can?
Personally I see no reason for their tax exempt status. They should be treated the same as any non-profit. Assuming they are in fact non-profit.
By steve on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Truth be told Chris, the LDS church is one of the most charitable groups on the planet. They probably do more public service than any other religious group through missions to help the poor and starving in Africa as well as the poor in the US. Yeah, there is a religious slant behind what they do but we are better off with them than without them.
But Chris, aren’t you trying to impose beliefs that marriage should be between two human beings and not limited to man and woman?
By Steve O on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Steve, under your logic of putting the vote to the masses would certainly insure that slavery was never abolished.
Sometimes the mob isn’t as intelligent as it thinks it is.
How about a woman’s right to vote? Want to put that up for a vote?
Hey, wasn’t California the first to abolish interracial marriages? Should we put that up for a vote too?
It’s simple, you vote for elected officials to represent you that go on to appoint judges that they believe will best hold up the letter of the law or rule others unconstitutional based on the betterment of society. It’s not perfect but it works.
You have no right to push your beliefs on someone else through legislation that violates only a portion of society’s civil rights.
By David on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Good on the evangelicals and mormons for standing up and taking action for their convictions. After all, isn’t that exactly what the gays and lesbians are doing?
By John Jones on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Heck yeah dude, bring it on!
http://www.privacy.de.tc
By Chris Radulich on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Truth be told Chris, the LDS church is one of the most charitable groups on the planet.
And Mussolini made the trains run on time. SO?
But Chris, aren’t you trying to impose beliefs that marriage should be between two human beings and not limited to man and woman?
No, they can maintain their beliefs just not force others to. After all you have a perfect right to believe in slavery, polygamy, or master race. You just can’t force others into slavery, polygamy, or discriminate.
By Chris Radulich on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
I do like the idea that was espoused here for government to do away with marriage licences and have only civil union. Let the churches perform the rite of matrimony for those people who want it and meet the church’s criteria.
By McDuck on Nov 27, 2008 | Reply
Marriage in Ancient Mesopotamia and Babylonia
http://ehistory.osu.edu/world/articles/ArticleView.cfm?AID=58
Pretty interesting read.
By Chris Radulich on Nov 28, 2008 | Reply
Good on the evangelicals and mormons for standing up and taking action for their convictions. After all, isn’t that exactly what the gays and lesbians are doing?
Yes and it was great when CSA stood up for it’s convictions on slavery.
Or when they assaulted the freedom riders to keep segregation.
Or when the nazi party tried to exterminate the jews.
or when the muslims flew into the world trade center.
Yes it is a great thing when people stand up for their convictions.
By Windspike on Nov 28, 2008 | Reply
How about we sponsor a law proposition to change the constitution in Utah to outlaw churches who have supported polygamy?
Fear is the basis for all those who H8 gays trying to prevent them from marrying. There’s nothing rational about it.
What exactly is it about heterosexual marriage that needs protection?
How about we sponsor a law that outlaws divorce instead?
By Alex on Nov 28, 2008 | Reply
(The L.D.S. church doesn’t support polygamy. In fact, they officially reject the practice. The law you favor, then, Windspike, would be ex-post-facto.)
We must better affect the discourse. The concept “marriage” is lost to the secular world, as Prop. 8 attests too. Therefore, as opposed to challenging this calcified (and meaningless?) concept, we should endorse a different term: civil union. Heterosexual couples should reject the concept of “marriage,” and thus, fortify the concept “civil union.”
Consider the factual meaninglessness of “marriage” in common parlance. Without state intervention, regardless of what religious organizations condone or celebrate, a relationship isn’t imbued with public importance. The counter-position is not the same: A religious acknowledgement of one’s relationship is factually meaningless (avoiding existential meaning of course, but we can change that too) unless the state acknowledges it as well.
We should accept this reality and reject “marriage” – give this empty concept to the faithful because, in the end, they endorse this position when they necessarily seek state recognition of their relationships (even after their church gives the “Okay”).
By steve on Nov 28, 2008 | Reply
There is no such comparison of gay marriage to slavery