July 26th, 2006

FOX News “Middle East Analyst” Is Apocalyptic Christian Preacher

Fair and balanced? For who?

Evans is a rapture Christian who believes that, once Israel is at peace, the end of the world will come, at which time a very few chosen Christians (including himself and George Bush) will be wisked into heaven by Jesus while the rest of non-believing humanity will be cast into the fiery pit for all eternity.
I now support the war in Lebanon and pray to the Spaghetti Monster that it rages on for all eternity, I’m too young to die a fiery death!!! Question, why is it always the “other” guys religion that is going to perish in the depths of hell?
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  1. Paul Merda Says :

    That’s easy Steve, because its ALL bullshit, every last bit of it.  Religions are like trees, the trunk is the same, but the twigs and leaves are different.

    The trunk - People can call upon a supernatural entity to change the law of cause and effect.  Each individual believes that they are right above all others.

    The twigs and leaves - different rituals, different names of gods/saviors, different dogma

    All the same at their most basic level. 


  2. liberal vet Says :

    As Paul said it is bullshit. All myth to make us feel better about the supposed superiority of men. A magical panacea, eternal life for the one true believer. Meanwhile they say that there is one true god and if you believe in false gods you will burn in hell for an eternity. Sounds like a Stan Lee comic gone bad. In addition one god huh??? What are angels? What is Jeebus? What is the holy ghost? One god say what. Angels fly live eternally and talk to god, at least demigods. The rapture myth. Armegeddon more myth. If the end comes it will be because of man, no god needed. LV


  3. Amelia Says :

    In the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn (BBHHH) - to take inspiration from your sidebar ad (Sack O’ Hammers)…in my experience people’s religious zeal is inversly proportional to their IQ. Remember…God is a one syllable word. And “God did it” or “God wants it” should be treated with the same skepticism as when someone wants you to do something, you ask why or disagree and they just say “Because, that’s why”. That may work on 2 year olds but it doesn’t (shouldn’t) fly with reasonably intelligent adults.


  4. Tax Slave Says :

    The faster everybody dies, then the faster the invisible man in the sky will come down to take the bigots to his amusement park in the clouds. Christians are selfish assholes who want everybody to die for their suppossed gain. They place death as a higher value than life. The only thing “holy” about Christianity is that it is wholly immoral.


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  6. ann Says :

    Fair and balanced? I’d settle for sane and rational.


  7. Tim Says :

    Amelia, is that inverse relationship between faith and intelligence linear or quadratic (bicubic, logarithmic, etc…)  It’s far too easy to hurl insults from across cyberspace, no?

    Wow, y’all are angry (and I don’t necessarily think that’s wrong).  I suggest evaluating Christianity on its merits instead of by media hearsay about people who claim to be Christians and live wholly opposite to our principles.

    Matthew  7:16-21 “By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn’t grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them. Not everyone who says to me,’Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

    If you don’t act like a Christian, then you aren’t one.  Good fruit obviously shouldn’t make people hostile to God.  His salvation is for everyone who truly seeks Him, and not for those who falsely invoke His blessing on their wickedness.  The end will come, but it’s not for us to decide when or where.

    As to the verity of religious dogma, well, you have to examine them all and see which have merit.  For my part, I believe the Bible is the revealed Word of God (in that it means what is says and says what it means, and no man is qualified to give its interpretation, but the Spirit alone).  All of this “Christian” heresy was foretold before the end of the first century.  It’s simply another sign that the end is coming; whether it’s near or not is irrelevant.  The only issue you must settle is when you bow before the Lord, will you do it gratefully or regretfully.  Peace and love to all in the name of my Savior, Jesus the Christ who lives and reigns forever and ever.


  8. TylerMC Says :

    Thou I agree that the Christian Right is completely outside of Christianity, (See this article for how they’re framing Lebanon as God’s work by Israel: http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Inspirations/Right1.htm

     To associate Christianity with Dispensationalism, what this man preaches is a misnomer.  Dispensationalism was created in the 1830’s.  It relies on Old Testament prophecy, which Christians believe was fulfilled through Christ.  Dispensationalists live in the Old Testament.  Christians live in the New Testament, which is God’s new covenant with the people of Israel, today the church, upon the deliverance of the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ.  Christians strain the OT through the NT.  For example, slavery is okay in the OT.  But Christ makes it clear that no man is above or may own another.  Like a contract, this new amendment wipes out the old idea that slavery is okay.  For a Christian it is not.  

    For a Dispensationalist, which the majority of ‘Christian Right’ rapture cultist are, slavery is okay.  They’re not Christian.  They live in the destruction and dark times of the OT praying for death and destruction.  Christians live in the light and promise of the NT, which delivers eternal salvation for treating your neighbor as yourself and loving and honoring God through action and deed.

    Please be careful about associating Christianity, those of us who follow Christ and attempt to live according to the Beatitudes, (Blessed are the Peacemakers etc…) with the Dispensationalists promoting war, killing, the end of times and hate.  According to Revelations, if this is the End of Times, (and I do not believe it is), they fulfill the major requirement that the majority of Christians will follow false leaders.  It is referred to as the apostasy and only a remnant continues in Christ’s path.  Dispensationalism is apostasy and what it preaches is not Christianity but hate.


  9. Ann,

    Now you’re just being unreasonable. 


  10. Chris Says :

    I love those people that quote the Bible and act as if that means anything. Here, Malachi 2:[1-3]
    “Now, you priests, this commandment is for you.

    2 If you will not listen, and if you will not lay it to heart, to give glory to my name,” says Yahweh of Armies, “then will I send the curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Indeed, I have cursed them already, because you do not lay it to heart.

    3 Behold, I will rebuke your seed, and will spread dung on your faces, even the dung of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.”

    You know, it reminds me of the classic, http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=383271

    ” I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned
    in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?”

    The thing I love most about Christians is that they will disregard this and ignore these parts of the Bible as if they didn’t exist.
    Or, they will think that certain interpretations should be applied to some passages, and other, more loose or strict, should be applied to others.
    Therein, interpretation, by this very definition, is whatever the hell one pleases it to be and the words can be taken to justify any act that can’t other logically be justified


  11. Amelia Says :

    Tim,

    I have no problem with Christians (or Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or any other religion/religious affiliation) as long as they don’t try to force their views on me. God belongs in the house of worship and the home of the believer, not in the laws that are supposed to apply to everyone equally. I’m an atheist and I’m not demanding the church down the road stop putting messages on their sign or ringing their bells…they own those items and the land under them, but that doesn’t give God’s fan club the right to dictate to me how to live. Yes, I’m angry. I’m angry when I read about a RAPE VICTIM being denied the ‘morning-after’ pill by a Mennonite doctor. I’m angry when right-wing politicians want to spend taxes (part of which are mine) on monuments with specific religious themes. I’m mad as hell (see how religious terms permeate our language whether we like it or not?)  that “we” in the US support an apartheid state in the Middle East that appears to have no interest in peace. Before you call me an anti-Semite, remember Colin Powell’s words: “It is not Anti-Semitism to criticise the policies of the state of Israel”.


  12. Tim Says :

    Is proper understanding really so far gone that such a passage could, in ignorance, be postulated to run counter to sound doctrine?  The rest of Malachi 2 is a curse upon the preisthood for having departed from the original covenant with Levi (the tribe of preists).  Malachi 2:7 “For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he [is] the messenger of the LORD of hosts. “  Speak the truth or you will wear the foulness of your indulgence on your face.  What could be more appropriate to the current topic?

    Exodus 21:8 “If she doesn’t please her master, who has married her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, seeing he has dealt deceitfully with her.”  This is a protection against women being treated poorly by lying men who pretend to have them as wives.  It’s talking of marriage in the context of the day, not American slavery.  You can’t pick and choose out of the Bible.  You have to read to whole thing.  As an aside, merely mentioning that something in the Bible did occur is not sanctioning it in practice.  Samuel was a great man, but his father was a bigamist.  Is this sanctioned? No, but it is faithfully recorded as true in spite of it’s potential to embarass the faith.

    Job 38:2 “Who [is] this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?”  You can’t speak on that you don’t understand.  As for justification, God will have the final say as to who acted in accordance with His Word and who was merely a failed poser.  There will one day be a reckoning, no one need fear that justice will go unserved.  Each will be judged according to his deeds, and all will be revealed in time.  All you need worry about is the state of your own conscience.  It is my sincerest hope that you all simply give God fair consideration.  The actions we take on the knowledge we have is the standard by which we all will be meted our just recompense in eternity.


  13. Tim Says :

    Amelia, I certainly would never force my beliefs on anyone; nor would I ever call anyone an anti-semite (most modern Jews aren’t even Semitic).  I fully agree that calling Israel jewish is like calling America christian.  Political entities have no souls, no consicience, and no redeeming value.

    As for your anger, I understand that someone imposing their will on your life raises your ire, as it does for me.  We are established as a nation that values personal liberty, even if it is currently being eroded away from under our feet by a power structure that has lost all accountability to the people and cares only for their own wealth (that’s a different rant).  I respect someone’s right to choose an ECP even if I don’t agree with their decision.  That is their conscience.  However, the same law that allows her to take that pill also protects a doctor from acting aginst his own conscience in prescribing such a pill.  Freedom is a two way street.

    For the record I’m angry when I read about a rape victim, period.  The law of our land is clearly insufficient for the protection of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  When such a state of affairs arises, it becomes necessary to question the validity of our own government; and vital to take appropriate action to fix what is clearly broken.  We the people must restore goodness to our government, else all is (I fear, already) lost.


  14. Amelia Says :

    Tim…it sounds like we’re pretty darn close here. The problem is political, period. I do take an exception in the ECP case because the incident happened in a public-funded ER. If the taxpayers are paying for it, she shouldn’t have had to “doctor-shop” for the ECP. Rape itself is traumatic enough, nuff said. The big problem I see right now in this country is our ship of state has been hijacked by nut-jobs that think they’ll get to sit at the right hand of God when the world ends…and they have the power to trigger WWIII via nuclear exchange (effectively the end of the world). Anyone that thinks that there is such a thing as a limited nuclear war (as in a bunker-buster or two) is living in la-la-land. The other thing I can’t reconcile is the cognitive dissonance they (the politicians)  seem to have that in the US, Christian theocracy = good, in the Arab/Muslim world, theocracy = bad, especially when both faiths worship the same god! I think it’d be easier to prove 1=0 than understand that mindset. As an atheist, any theocracy would be unacceptable to me…but reasonable mainstream Christians don’t seem to be pushing for that here, just the extremist element. For the record, I work for a Christian boss…he knows I’m an atheist, and we get along just fine. 


  15. Preston Says :

    Tim, I too fear we as a nation/culture have progressed past the point of no return on the road to national ruin. The tone of posts from the Amelias and others on this and many other media sources indicate a very hostile backlash to those of us who seek to follow the dictates of our conscience according to the Word of God, and do not in any way subscribe to the Godless doctrines promulgated by those who are Christian in name only. People like you and me are lumped together with those whose fruits are evidence of Satanic doctrine; we may reap the ugly consequences from those whose hatred of everything “Christian” blinds them from distinguishing between the two.


  16. Tim Says :

    Well I certainly don’t claim to be reasonable or mainstream ;)   I’m probably a fundamentalist and an extremist.  I simply cannot in good conscience compromise any part of the Bible, it’s either all true or none of it is.  To defend some parts and reject others is a logical fallacy.

    I can’t square with our “leadership” hijacking Christianity to serve their own foul interests.  Theocratic rule is not what they’re after, either.  They’re playing on populist sympathies (like Hitler did in 1933) to establish an autocracy and they’re using our own ignorance against us.  They could care less about God, He’s just a tool to swing votes.  We’ve been duped into thinking there’s a cultural war between right and left just so the ruling class can keep us blinded to what’s really happening.  They’re taking over.

    As a Christian I can’t bear the thought of theocracy (man imposing God’s law on man).  What I long for in my heart of hearts is the benevolent monarchy to come (God providing for all His children).  Because He is ALL good, we can trust Him to rule completely.  Until that day, I think a free democracy is the best evil we can hope for, as long as we can sustain the republic and purge it from the parasitic ruling elite.

    I also have to take brief issue with the idea that God and Allah are the same.  A cursory examination of their attributes conclusively proves they are not at all the same.  Allah is masochistic, capricious, carnal and misogynistic.  Contrast the one True God, who by definition transcends every human concept of good and can be attached to no evil whatsoever.  Christians may be willing to sacrifice their lives because of their belief in Truth, but certainly not for the carnal heaven of Islam, wherein 72 women are eternally demeaned and belittled for the sheer sensual pleasure of one “martyr”.  Can this really be religion?

    I’m glad to know that we think alike on many things.  Neither of us have our heads in the sand, and I believe that’s good.  There certainly is no intrinsic reason that Christians can’t coexist with other believers (or refusers, as it were).  In fact the Bible commends us to “as far as possible, live at peace with all men,” and I hold that to be a high virtue on earth.  My most fervent desire, as I’ve stated previously, is to tell the story of God so that people can come to know and love Him, if they choose to do so.  I trust that God will make Himself known to those who deny themselves and truly seek Him, as he has done for me and so many people I love.  No overt miracles, just the peace of walking in His goodness, and knowing that He loves us :)


  17. Tim Says :

    Preston, it’s always great to run into a brother in unexpected places.

    Is their hostility not justified?  If we, the faithful, keep silent and allow these perpetrators to do evil in our name, how can we not expect the world to seethe with anger.  I think they are right to be angry, as are you and I.  I also sincerely believe it is our responsibility to fight for good (to use a cliched superhero term).  I think it’s clear from conversation with Amelia that some people don’t want to hate us, they just haven’t been given a plausible alternative to the war-mongering hijackers of our faith.  It’s up to normal everyday believers to restore the good name that caused Christianity to spread like wildfire throughout the Roman empire under heavy persecution.  I think that’s what Jesus wants from us :)   If I could forget politics entirely and just love PEOPLE, that would be the greatest day of my life.


  18. Amelia Says :

    Tim - great point. They (the people in power) claim to be acting in the name of your religion - they are giving you guys a bad name. It’s just like GWB mocking Carla Faye Tucker before her execution…not very Christian of him at all. I hate to state the obvious, but it’s not the job of the non-Christian to clean the Christian ranks…you guys gotta stand up en masse and say that the asshats in power don’t speak for you and don’t represent your religion. I know I can coexist with Christians - my boss is one and my girlfriend is one (please don’t take the cheap ‘oh, you’re a dyke’ shot…I have actually read the Bible and attended church - I just found nothing there for me) - she is a liberal Christian, but whenever the subject comes up she always stands up as a Christian. 


  19. Tim Says :

    Amelia, you’re absolutely right about GWB, though I don’t think it necessary to defend Christianity on such a large scale.  It is open for anyone who wants to discover it.  It’s not that the Church needs to do something big, but that each Christian needs to love the people they interact with.  Forget all the political nonsense and just be Christlike.  Christianity doesn’t pass from state to state, or one political entity to another, it’s based on person to person contact, and that’s why I think the Church would better serve the cause to love individuals like Jesus does.  I don’t care about the cause, per se, but I do care about people who need God’s love, and I care about the honor He totally deserves.

    And I hope you’ve realized by now that I consider it beneath my calling to take cheap shots at people for their lifestyles.


  20. Amelia Says :

    Tim - I wasn’t expecting a cheap shot from you…but I am an easy target (an atheist lesbian who is a critic of religion(s)) - I can honestly say (from what I know of the historical Jesus - I do believe he existed, I part ways when it comes to the supernatural stuff) - you are certainly more like the Christ described in the Bible than a lot of (really hate filled, nasty, and I dare say just plain intolerant) Christians. If only the ones with power and at the pulpits of the megachurches lived up to the ideals that Christ did set…


  21. Sandy Says :

    Evans is awesome and if you knew ANYTHING about the Bible, you would know that the rapture is scriptural. Then the tribulation. Those of you left on earth after the rapture will still have a chance to accept Jesus. Those of you who do will go to Heaven. Those of you who don’t will go to hell.

    Read Revelations. That’ll scare the crap out of you. Then read Left Behind. (Non-believers will get a glimpse of their future.)

    Remember this life is but a breath when compared to eternity. You want your spirit in Heaven or hell?

    It really is that simple. Mock me if you want. I don’t care. I KNOW where I’m going when I die.


  22. Sandy Says :

    p.s. Tyler- you lost me at ‘the majority of the Christian right are dispensationalists.’  A drawer full of doctorates says you are wrong. We just get excited witnessing these end times because it means we’re closer to going home. The end times could be one year. It could be 10,000 years. Are we in them? You betcha. All the signs are there. ALL OF THEM!!

    There is no hate in being a Christian. We’re all about love. But we will passionately defend our God, country, and President. And occasionally we will get sucked into name-calling our enemies. We’re not perfect. Just saved. And some of us are using the ‘turn or burn’ technique as a last-ditch attempt to get someone saved.

    The false leaders are the denominations. The ones that tell you it’s ok if you’re not saved. It’s not. The remnant is the born-again on fire for Jesus Christians. NO ONE ELSE!

    Allah is NOT God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. We do NOT worship the same God as muslims.

    And the Bible does say homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

    Very interesting thread. Tim lost me  with the ‘warmongering’ comments.

    Jesus said he will spit you out if you are lukewarm. I may be over the line sometimes, but I’m NEVER lukewarm…


  23. Amelia Says :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

    I have to point out to 2 of the above that Allah is the same God as Judaism and Christianity. Also,  I’m quite secure that when I die that’s it. I’m not worried about inheriting anything when I’m dead since there will be no “I” to inherit anything. (having been legally dead and zapped back has its advantages) - no tunnel of light, no feeling of warmth, no dead relatives, NOTA. I touched a high voltage wire and it was nitey nite until I woke up with my friend giving me CPR. I have induced NDE experiences with pharmaceuticals…so I’m convinced it’s a chemical reaction and nothing more.
     


  24. Tim Says :

    Amelia, as far as the big 3 religions go, yes we have common monotheistic heritage in Abraham and in that sense our worship all stems from the same God, but the Gods we variously worship today have little in common.  They simply cannot be the same.  Jesus once told a Samaritan woman that they worship God, but they don’t know Him.  The same could be said of today’s Jews and Muslims.  Jesus claimed to be the only way, the gate, the water of life, the bread of life, etc.  To claim Him as Savior and then accept that there are other ways to God is illogical.  He must be the only way, or He is no way at all.

    I’m also intrigued by your NDE.  For a long time I’ve privately held these states of inter-consciousness to be opportunities for Satan to influence our thinking, since he tries to do that all the time anyway.  The Bible says that it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement.  NDEs are precisely that, near-death experiences.  They are not actually death, irrespective of clinical definitions.  To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord; ergo, if you didn’t see the Lord (not a tunnel, or warmth, or light, but the actual Lord) then you weren’t absent from your body.  I agree with your assessment that NDEs are most likely chemical in origin, not altogether unlike dreams.

    I’ve seen nothing in my life that precludes God; but one massive example of His truth, to my mind, is simply existence.  How did it all start?  Big Bang cosmology is mathematically implausible.  Steady-state theories are speculative at best (metaphysical, not scientific).  Evolution only attempts to describe change in life forms, not the origin of life itself.  Fundamentally existence comes down to two options: There is a God.  We are here.  God created us. OR There is no God.  We are here.  We must have arisen by natural forces.  These are the only two acceptable lines of logical thought available regarding origins, but they both start with unprovable axioms about the nature of existence, and both require equal amounts of faith in order to believe them.  Based on the evidence we have today, which one of these is worth your faith?


  25. Tim Says :

    Amelia, as far as the big 3 religions go, yes we have common monotheistic heritage in Abraham and in that sense our worship all stems from the same God, but the Gods we variously worship today have little in common.  They simply cannot be the same.  Jesus once told a Samaritan woman that they worship God, but they don’t know Him.  The same could be said of today’s Jews and Muslims.  Jesus claimed to be the only way, the gate, the water of life, the bread of life, etc.  To claim Him as Savior and then accept that there are other ways to God is illogical.  He must be the only way, or He is no way at all.

    I’m also intrigued by your NDE.  For a long time I’ve privately held these states of inter-consciousness to be opportunities for Satan to influence our thinking, since he tries to do that all the time anyway.  The Bible says that it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement.  NDEs are precisely that, near-death experiences.  They are not actually death, irrespective of clinical definitions.  To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord; ergo, if you didn’t see the Lord (not a tunnel, or warmth, or light, but the actual Lord) then you weren’t absent from your body.  I agree with your assessment that NDEs are most likely chemical in origin, not altogether unlike dreams.

    I’ve seen nothing in my life that precludes God; but one massive example of His truth, to my mind, is simply existence.  How did it all start?  Big Bang cosmology is mathematically implausible.  Steady-state theories are speculative at best (metaphysical, not scientific).  Evolution only attempts to describe change in life forms, not the origin of life itself.  Fundamentally existence comes down to two options: There is a God.  We are here.  God created us. OR There is no God.  We are here.  We must have arisen by natural forces.  These are the only two acceptable lines of logical thought available regarding origins, but they both start with unprovable axioms about the nature of existence, and both require equal amounts of faith in order to believe them.  Based on the evidence we have today, which one of these is worth your faith? 


  26. Tim Says :

    Whoops, didn’t mean to double up.  So as to keep from hijacking this page, if you like, you can email me .  I’m afraid I’ve taken too much space already.


  27. Mike Says :

    There are a lot of post here I would like to reply to  a lot of them ,but who has the time. So I will go to the first two. I don’t know this Evans person. So I don’t know what he has said. But the rapture is not for certain christians and there will be no end of the world. The rapture or as the Bible says thecatching away of the saints. Simply is God taking out of harms way those who have made Jesus their savior in their hearts, Not just in their minds or mouth.

    Not all religions are the same.  There are vast differences.  Seek them and you will see what I mean.

     Does anyone find it intriguing that all that is going on in the Mideast is talked about in The Bible and it is coming true. Keep watching more to follow.


  28. Amelia Says :

    Mine is - make the obvious alterations to use it if anyone wants to continue the debate..


  29. liberal vet Says :

    Monotheism is nonsence there are numerous demigods and there is three gods in one like the chewing mint. You want to believe this foolishness be my guest. We live in a democracy and your mouthpiece in the White House will be repalced. In the end the fundies will be reduced and rendered ineffective, your beliefs are those of the minority. The only way armegeddon wil take place is if we {mankind} blow ourselves up. There are no gods. LV



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