July 17th, 2006

US Charging Evacuees to Get Out of Lebanon

I guess freedom really isn’t free.

The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need [emphasis mine]. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination.
Soooo just like New Orleans, the poor get screwed!!!

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  1. You want out of Lebanon, Mr American? You pay our govt ! - Eye On Gambling Forums Says :

    […] You want out of Lebanon, Mr American? You pay our govt ! The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need [emphasis mine]. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination. […]


  2. bob Says :

    wow, thats america for you, they can fund the country that causes its citizens in lebanon to need evacuation, but they cant help the tax payers themselves. wow.


  3. Ron Harbolt Says :

    Oh yea, there is one exception, if you are jewish of course there will be no charge and  the USA will reinburse you for your inconvience.


  4. Dusty Says :

    Israel plays the victim better than Steve does..not Steve O..the Hummer-driving one.


  5. Kilgore Trout, C.P.A. Says :

    Mission accomplished !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  6. tos Says :

    “Soooo just like New Orleans, the poor get screwed!!!

    Don’t you ever get tired of using this line? Of course we all now that Kerry’s team would had all 40,000 evacuated in a matter of minutes even under the conditions there. Because he was a war hero.


  7. Jan Says :

    kerry did evacuate people from new orleans at his personal expense. He chartered a jet to evacuate people from an hospital.


  8. Steve O Says :

    Tos, what Jan said :-)

    Wash it all you want buddy, some stains youcan’t get out.
     


  9. Colin Says :

    Yes, I’m sick and god damned tired of countries behaving like international assholes just because it’s in their immediate best interest. The USA is not the only one, of course. Every country does it. It’s THE CAUSE of wars. The only one. THE ONLY ONE. Can you fathom that?

    All of the time, we humans are nice to each other. As soon as nationality is an issue, it’s okay for me to kill you?

    It’s just about the most low-brow, most limited thought I can imagine. 

     What’s even worse is that most country leaders claim to be religious. In every way, they’re violating their gods’ laws. They covet. They kill. They do what they please.

    And we’re complacent little bitches just typing away on the internet like that makes a difference. *sigh* 

     


  10. Emmet Says :

    Imagine that!  Gotta pay your own way!  What a fucking concept!


  11. tos Says :

    Woopie for Kerry the trillionare. But how well would he have done this?

     

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html

     


  12. ken grandlund Says :

    Gee tos- first you flame at Kerry for not doing something he wasn’t responsible to do (since he was only a senator from New England and not the President of the US- therefore he did not control FEMA actions or any other official non-responses) and then you belittle him because he did something on his own.

    i guess anyone with a “D” by their name is just a piece of crap no matter what. At least we know where you really stand.


  13. tinylittledots.com •••• tiny little dots ••• and other points of interest » Blog Archive » Sometimes “freedom really isn’t free”- US Charging Evacuees to Get Out of Lebanon Says :

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  14. Matt Browner-Hamlin Says :

    The US government will start a full scale battle in Fallujah to recover
    mercenaries bodies at the cost of hundreds of Iraqi and American lives
    and untold millions in property damages - I wonder if they passed that
    bill along to Blackwater. Now they are telling citizens that if they
    want to be evacuated, they have to sign a bill first. This is
    back-asswards.


  15. Crooks and Liars » Uncle Sam comes through again Says :

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  16. kat Says :

    I have never seen info about kerry evacuating people from new orleans. I’m surprised it wasn’t all over the news. Do you have a link to this info?


  17. sux to be american Says :

    Europeans are evacuated free!!

    The Swiss & The EU governments value the life of their citizens.

    shame on you

     


  18. Craig R. Harmon Says :

    I have to admit that I was stunned when I heard this tid-bit. Sometimes I just can’t believe my ears. This was one of those times. I guess that’s what they get for being in a country when war breaks out. I guess that they should have known better.

    Jaw-droppingly asinine. 


  19. Bushtheidiot.com » Says :

    […] Via bring it on: The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need [emphasis mine]. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination. […]


  20. ghosteye Says :

    popular mechanics continues its well known history of spewing out skewed facts and even blatent OPINION based “FACTS”. Just like “debunking 9/11 myths”, this debunking katrina is another load of filth only the most moronic would believe. Think for your fking self for once. You have a brain, use it. Dont let some magazine ran by apes do it for you.


  21. Steve O Says :

    Magazine run by apes?

    Oooooweeee don’t we just smell of swamp ass!!!! The link is right to the State Department. Word of advise, free your mind and your ass will follow!!! Swear to Gawd!!! 


  22. Sandy Says :

    What kind of moron goes to Lebanon or Israel anyway?

    I think they should find their own ways out. They were the idiots that went there.


  23. anonymous Says :

    Re Kerry, y’all are confusing him with Al Gore.  It was GORE who chartered a plane from Tennessee to NOLA to bring hospital patients back there.


  24. Jeffery Faulk Says :

    It’s a sign that our current administration cares little about American’s safety, wherever they may be. Like the true criminals they are, they only care about their bank accounts and themselves.


  25. jdendesdiz Says :

    You can find info on Al Gore hiring 2 private jets to help evacuate NOLA citizens here: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hurricane_Katrina:_Evacuees

    Yes, Google is a wonderful tool.  There are even refernces to Kerry calling for help for NOLA citizens.  Instead of pooh poohing comments persons here make of persons good works, it is so easy to look it up yourself. Oh, but not as much fun as being nasty. Sheesh! there is even a wiki fact check reference below. Put there to ruin your fun I’m sure.


  26. sux to be american Says :

    I am KingBush, I got Airforce One FREE everyday thanks to YOU, sux for you :P

    one flight of it, costs more then getting probably all the stranded americans out of lebanon

    but the little american peons can die, who gives a crap about them anyway

    as long has i get some PIG to slice and oh Putin I Hate you, you made fun of me at the g8, grr

     


  27. JF Says :

    Look - this is all Clinton’s fault. If not for that blow job….


  28. worried in the USA Says :

    I don’t think the US govt should pay for their evacuation.  I don’t know anyone living under the poverty level that has the wherewithal to get a passport, buy a plane ticket,  apply for a work visa and set up housekeeping in a foreign country. I would assume that most Americans living abroad aren’t ‘poor people’, but rather people who chose to live and work in a foreign country because of the financial incentive.  I’m not saying there’s anything wrong that, but if you take the risks of living in a volatile region of the world because you can make good money, then you should  take the personal and financial responsibilty for yourself!

    The govt is right to offer transportation out for any American citizen who choses to leave- but why should it be free for people who can pay there own way? Of course, if you’re destitute, you shouldn’t be left behind, but I doubt there are many US citizens in Lebanon that fit that category.

    The natural disaster in New Orleans and the embarrassing and shameful response from the our fearless leader is an entirely different matter.  I think a ’shame on you’ applies in this case.


  29. rpppolyp Says :

    Sandy Says :

    July 17th, 2006 at 10:15 pm

    What kind of moron goes to Lebanon or Israel anyway?

    I think they should find their own ways out. They were the idiots that went there.

    Ah blame the victims.  Why did New Orleans get built in a soup bowl that could flood?  Why the hell did those kids go to that nightclub in Bali?  Why did those people use the subway in London and Madrid?  Why did those firemen and police office go into the burning World Trade Center?  They should’ve found their own way out… you… nevermind.

    I have no doubt you have no clue given such a moronic comment, but just to help you: Lebanon’s civil war ended in 1990.  Beriut was rebuilding itself.  Good forbid you hate commerce so much that American business decides it wants to tap in a previous rejuvinating market that up until last week was trying to get back on its feet.

    The fact you are such a robot you can countenance the fact the US government can’t evacuate its own folks (let’s just forget they are charging them for a second) when they have so many military assets in the region.


  30. bleep Says :

    Um.. They are American and paid to go over there.  They should pay to come back.  I would expect and happily pay to get out of a region in which people are blowing things up. 

    Why is that such a bad thing?

     


  31. Qwerty Says :

    You wingnuts have a short memory. It was just months ago when Lebanon had a “Cedar” revolution and voted for Syria to leave, courtesy of American NGOs. Lebabon is a war-torn and ravaged country, and is barely getting up on its feet, so there are many young professionals there hoping to make a difference. One of my friends is an idealistic young architect, and is there to help. Now Israel has bombed all of the rebuilding effort costing Lebanese billions of $$$ to rubble, the new airport, homes, hospitals, roads, rail, infrastructure that is the life-blood of any country. This is a war crime, for f*ck’s sake, not that it would matter to you Abu Ghraib trash.


  32. meneame.net Says :

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  33. Paul Merda Says :

    I think everyone picked this one up Steve….great job!!


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  35. Voting Vet Says :

    So, President Kerry can’t find the money in the Treasury to evacuate American citizens from a war zone! Why don’t you Moonbats wake up.  Kerry claims he cares about the citizens of this country, but he wants to charge them to get out of Lebanon?  That’s Moonbat Patriotism all the way! Kerry doesn’t care about American lives; and he makes the US an object of ridicule to the world.  Hell, Europe isn’t charging it’s citizens.  We tried to tell you people about Kerry before the election, but you wouldn’t listen!

    Wait, that’s right! The election was fixed so that our guy would “win” again.  Let me think about this.  Bush won.  Bush is Patriot Numero Uno.  And Bush wants to charge Americans who want to get out of Lebanon.?  Well, that’s different, isn’t it?  I mean, the president knows what’s best.  And, besides, what in hell are those people doing over there anyway?  If they could afford to go to Lebanon, they can sure as hell afford to pay their way out of Lebanon.  It’s common sense, people. Why the hell would anyone want to go to Lebanon anyway?  They thought they were going to make a lot of money.  If they can’t afford the price of transport home, tough!  No free lunch at this counter, thank God! They can’t pay the freight, let them stay and take their chances with the Hezbollah.  That’s what I’m saying!


  36. Plisko Says :

    We’re sorry to inform you that the fire department does not provide no cost extinguishing of housefires. However, we do have the authority to offer a defireification loan so that the task of extinguishing your house can be completed. Please sign a promisory note so that we can begin our work and we will bill you at a later date.


  37. Lenny Says :

    It is said when capitalism means that money and profit is now more important than human life. Very sad. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for allowing our society to place more value on monitary gain over human life!


  38. hudson Says :

    Contrast it with

    Canada’s policy

    The Canadian Government has arranged for sea vessels to assist
    Canadians wishing to depart Lebanon. All costs related to the evacuation of Canadians citizens from Lebanon will be borne by the Government of Canada.


  39. WFIGUY Says :

    Plisko,

    We pay taxes to cover the cost of “defireification”.  Sorry to rain on your parade. 


  40. Mike Says :

    This thread has veered slightly off topic. The basics are The USA is charging it’s citizens to be evacuated militarily. The operation of any vehicle will cost a certain amount of money to operate and maintain, there are fuel costs and maintenance costs. For a vehicle it’s cents per mile. For helicopters and such it’s figured in hours lets say thousands an hour.

    One point of view is that the Government should assume the responsibilty for these costs. The other side believes that everyone should be made to “pull there own weight” and incur these costs privately.

    I think and it is my opinion that that both these points of view have merit.  I posit that the correct position is determined based on the danger represented to the general population in a conflict such as this,  the availability of commercial means of transportation and then by financial ability to pay for either commercial or military means of transportation.

    The discussion should be, how dangerous is it? Can people leave? Can people afford to leave? If commercial means are not available the discussion should still be the same. How dangerous is it? Well it is certainly dangerous for the hundreds that have already died, but it’s certainly not carpet bombing type numbers.

    At this point I think that if you are some rich guy calling in your favors and getting a Chinook out within a few days of the airport closure you should  pay some of the costs associated with such transportation. Most people have not even heard back from the Gov about getting out. The opposite would reverse my position, higher chance of being killed or injured or inability to afford transportation. I also believe the Gov should pay for people who can’t afford commercial flights to leave if they are available.

    Now lets look at this lending program itself, it’s actually a great program, if you end up broke and drunk in Thailand, you can get a loan from your Uncle Sam to get back home! It’s been around for a while. Repatriation loan, it even sounds like a guy in a linen suit in Morocco.


  41. WFIGUY Says :

    Hudson,

    The Canadians pay huge taxes so that thier Government will take care of them.  I am sure that if we paid the same tax rates, it might be justified for the US Government to help these folks out.  However, the fact remains that we want to eat our cake and have it too.  


  42. Mike Says :

    Someone made a great point. Taxes pay for stuff like this. Taxes pay for cops, and streetlights and firefighters and roads. Taxes pay for the chance you may end up old and poor and need that money to help you survive. Taxes pay for the Soldiers we “support” so much. Taxes pay for everything our Gov does. I am of the opinion, that taxes well collected and well spent is the best policy, you tax according to the needs of society and then do your best to elimate profiteering, pork and the expense of handling the money. You collect fairly by taxing the rich more, and the poor less. You spend wisely by maximizing the benefits and applying money where it is in societies best interests. You wouldn’t help a rich guy pay for his lawn care, but you would pay for daycare for the poorer amongst us.


  43. tos Says :

    “Gee tos- first you flame at Kerry for not doing something he wasn’t responsible to do (since he was only a senator from New England and not the President of the US- therefore he did not control FEMA actions or any other official non-responses) and then you belittle him because he did something on his own.i guess anyone with a “D” by their name is just a piece of crap no matter what. At least we know where you really stand. “

    Ken you are funny. You obviously didn’t get my point which was if Kerry WERE president the outcome wouldn’t have been much different. And I will repeat myself again like I did once before. With Hurricane Floyd when we had a democrat president there was no flooding and people were stranded for a week with no supplies. That’s 4 days longer that was the devastation of Katrina.

    Remember first responders and did you read the link. Don’t you just hate when facts are presented?


  44. Powkat Says :

    $11 million an hour tossed down the rathole that we dug in Iraq, and they have the gall to charge to move citizens out of harms’ way?  The French and the British are way ahead on this, too.  I’ll bet the Bushies would do another Kartrina if it wasn’t an election year.  Greedy weasels.


  45. goat Says :

    WFIGUY - umm, Lebanon is not a Terrorist nation. The US Govt., right or wrong, is supporting Israel. We have people in Lebanon, legally and righteously. If there is a charge of any kind to evacuate these people, it creates a huge conflict of interest. If our government was not involved in the conflict, that would be another thing, but we ARE involved; in fact, if Iraq was not happening, this very likely would not be happening either.

    Ironically enough, it seems that it’s nigh time that the peace loving among us may have to take up arms in order to save what’s left of our nation. Hmmm… 


  46. tos Says :

    Government employees are not being charged. I wonder if we had to evacuate people from our country because of a conflict to be sent back to their own countries you would probably be expecting the US to pay for their transportation as well. You can’t win with you guys. Besides they have to sign something that they may receive a bill for their evacuation which has always been a law but probably will wind up not having to pay anyway.


  47. tos,

    Why can’t you win with us? Where’s the problem? Every other country is paying to get its nationals out, the US expects them to foot the bill. You’ve made a blanket assumption strawman (about what would happen if the US needed to be evacuated. Why do you assume other countries wouldn’t pay to evacuate their nationals out, just like they’re doing in Lebanon, btw?) and appear to be arguing against it. Not a good sign.


  48. Adrian Says :

    I have no problem with tax money being used to rescue fellow citizens from harms way - I feel it’s a totally justifiable expense, and everyone one us would want the same if we were facing extraordinary circumstances like this.

    And as to choosing to work overseas, keep one thing in mind: the US is the only one of the major developed nations (may the ONLY nation) that taxes the income of expats working out of the country.  If Uncle Sam can dip into your pocket for a cut of money not even earned in America, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for a little help in a jam like the one in Lebanon.


  49. tos Says :

    As I said Government employees do NOT have to pay. It’s not that I don’t want to win with you Paul. I assume because it’s the game that’s always played “Blame the US”. Why is everyone else agreeing with a blanket assumption? The assumption that everyone has to pay when in fact Government employees do not because they are there working for the US. Geez!


  50. Obviously, I’m being thick here, but how does that change the actual situation? The rest of the US nationals there are still US nationals, they’re still having to pay their own way out, and you’re the only country doing it. What am I missing here? Is that somehow ok because the government is paying to get it’s own employees out?


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  52. tos Says :

    Paul I would be interested about how many people we are talking about. We are talking 25,000 people. Well I guess we can afford that. Look at all the iilegals we supply wlefare to and yes the Iraq war and yes the 40,000 Katrina victims that got housing,food and medical care for 8 months. Probably more than you or I would get don’t ya think?


  53. Prevere Says :

    To toss and the other Wastes of Space-

    Charging people to get out of Lebanon is conservative punishment for choosing a country you don’t like. It is synonymous with Homeland Security doling out big bucks to red states while shafting Democratic New York. It is pure punishment, like Frist and company trying to shut down the filibuster because we dared to stop the approval of Scalito. When the truth of 9-11 is exposed, all you people are going to have your U.S. citizenship revoked. Good luck finding a country that will take you.


  54. American Says :

    So…..let me get this issue straight out of complete fairness to everyone. People…who say they are american….who pay no taxes of any type…and liev in a foreign country…..in this case Lebanon…want the american taxpayer to pay for their exit??????????????

    Are you kidding me? You gave up that right when you decided to live there. Why should the average american…who lives here…pay for their exit?????????????

    Please I need help here. I simply do not see it.

    If you decide to live there….you accept the risks.

    SOMEONE…please help me understand why we should spend taxpayers dollars on this?????????


  55. American Says :

    So…..let me get this issue straight out of complete fairness to everyone. People…who say they are american….who pay no taxes of any type…and liev in a foreign country…..in this case Lebanon…want the american taxpayer to pay for their exit?????????????? Are you kidding me? You gave up that right when you decided to live there. Why should the average american…who lives here…pay for their exit????????????? Please I need help here. I simply do not see it. If you decide to live there….you accept the risks. SOMEONE…please help me understand why we should spend taxpayers dollars on this?????????


  56. Sad but not surprised Says :

    The people who are “astonished” that the US gov’t won’t steal (use tax dollars appropriated by Congress for one purpose) to send Americans home are simply people who don’t realize that you have to have money in the bank to write checks.  We laugh when it happens to a 19 y.o.  It isn’t funny when you’re older to keep the same immaturity and display it like a badge of (dis)honor.


  57. rpppolyp Says :

    Sad but not surprised -

    Uh simple fact lost in all this, fee or no fee, how do you buy a ticket for an airline that can’t fly an airplane out of an airport because of an inconvenient erasure of runway?  Who do you write that check to?


  58. MD-2389 Says :

    You know, I find it funny how our government can afford to send millions of tax dollars overseas to some country that couldn’t give a shit about us, wouldn’t lift a finger to help us if we were in trouble, and which the general public couldn’t give a shit about…..yet suddenly they can’t find the money to bring TAX-PAYING citizens that are in genuine need of help home?  Only a spineless moron would even TRY to justify that slippery slope.

     ”They should pay their own way home!”

    Yeah, keep saying that posterboys.  Not like they aren’t human beings or anything, so go on and keep repeating that rethoric.  Just remember that these people have families to come home to, so go right ahead and be a bunch of insensitive assholes.  I’m sure you’ll still be saying that crap, even if someone you cared about was over there trying to earn a living….and suddenly got stranded in the middle of a war zone.

    tos -

    “Ken you are funny. You obviously didn’t get my point which was if Kerry WERE president the outcome wouldn’t have been much different.”

    ….and you know this how?  Did you tell the bush administration to hold off on their election rigging campaign long enough to use your personal tardis to zip ahead four years to see what would happen eh Dr. Who?  I mean, you honestly think that a president thats done nothing but fly around in AF1, and sit on his ass whenever a major disaster hit is so much better?  What have your precious republicans done to assist the Katrina victims?  What about the 9/11 victims?  When was the last time you saw Bush personally pay out of his own pocket money to transport Katrina refugees out of New Orleans?  All he did was make a couple of pass-overs in a plane.


  59. marbella lawyers Says :

    Well, if I voluntarily live in an enemy country (don’t forget USA helps Israel) and prefer to come back because of war reasons,  it is logical  that I  would have to pay the trip of return. I really prefer to be evacuated militarily before a risk of  me being  kidnapped or somewhat worse.

    Greetings,

     
    Antonio 


  60. Bring it On! » Blog Archive » Government to Pay for Evacuations in Lebanon Says :

    […] We reported this story to you on Monday and it looks like the State department has bowed to congressional criticism and abandoned on Tuesday its plan to bill U.S. citizens for evacuation from war-torn Lebanon. […]


  61. Jefftech825 Says :

    My main concern is while innocent women and children are being murdered in Lebanon you all are talking about who’s going to foot the bill to get our citizens home. Typical. While you say they dont give a shit about us you are NO different. What built this great nation are many different people from many different nationalities. We should be discussing how to stop the slaughter of all those innocent women and children and tell Isreal to let the the people they have put in refugee camps and virtual prisons go free so they can have hope, a life and NOT be enemies of Isreal. The US and Isreal have created this monster dating back to the 1940s. Every time Isreal kills and slaughters more innocent women and children they create their own enemies….now we come to their aid? Get some education and learn what this conflict is really about instead of believing everything you hear from the BIASED American press. This administration has used SCARE tactics against its own people and citizens since 9/11 and has not stopped since. ENOUGH. Get a clue on foriegn policy. The intelligence of today’s leaders pale compared to past leaders and diplomats of this great nation. Our current administration has NO clue what the word diplomacy means…..I wonder if GW can even spell it. Enough said.



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