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Vietnam Veterans Against John “Songbird” McCain

August 22nd, 2008 | by Steve O |

The slippery’s, the slimey’s and the sleezy’s. That is how McCain referred to the POWs that came home before him.

Stay classy.

McCain should have to stand in the middle of the Capitol Hill rotunda while every single POW in America gets to line up and take one good cock punch at him.

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  1. 27 Responses to “Vietnam Veterans Against John “Songbird” McCain”

  2. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Good Morning Steve-O:
    Cite your source

  3. By Steve O on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Lazarus,

    Seriously, cite my source? Watch the video. Thanks for wasting the thirty seconds it took to type this.

  4. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Steve-O
    Sorry, had a slow NIPR connection there, didn’t show the link.
    1-A Youtube feature is not the most credible source.
    2-Lots of He said/She said in the piece.
    3-However, makes some interesting points about the Senate activites and classification of the source documents. Worth more investigation.
    But remember, making an assessment on bad data, no matter how well motivated, just makes a bad assessment.

    “Trust, but verify” - Ronald Reagan

  5. By Steve O on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Lazarus, these are Vietnam Vets speaking, are you questioning their patriotism, their truthiness?

    Amazing!!!

    I remember being in forums back in a day being accused of questioning the truthiness of Swift Boat Vets.

    How do you like the flip? Remember, if it’s on the internet or coming out of a vets mouth it must be true!!!!

  6. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Steve-O
    This would be a lot more fun with beer………
    And I quote: “wearing a uniform has nothing to do with patriotism anymore considering the Pentagon has opened the ranks to more violent criminals and gang members.”
    (from yesterdays thread on privacy)
    I don’t question their patriotism. Their truthiness, perhaps. And the Internet is just another electronic wasteland. Everyone has an ax to grind this fall, maybe this will be McCains swift boat.
    Yea truthiness!!

  7. By Shane on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Interesting that the testimony of Senators, congressmen, veterans, doctors and others is dismissed out of hand.

    Watch the video and decide for yourself.

    That said, Lazarus Long in the books has sexual relations with his mother, children, etc. Interesting that you choose to represent yourself as such.

  8. By Steve O on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    LL, Nice of you to copy my words and try to throw them at me but these guys are not in uniform anymore.

    Once again, how’s it feel to have your candidate swift boated?

    That’s all I’m asking.

    I happen to believe what these guys are saying. Look up what they have said and you’ll see for yourself.

  9. By Craig R. Harmon on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    How do I like having the tables turned? Eh! I found some web site, perhaps by the same group that put this together, that was page after page of complaints about McCain: planes lost with him in the cockpit, propaganda films tortured out of him, the whole schlemiel! Like the Swift Boat Vets, anyone who has put on a uniform and served this country gets to have her or his say about any topic he wishes. What they say should be examined and thought through and added to the equation each person makes before entering a booth and making a choice.

    This is freedom of speech, democracy in action, the market-place of ideas, what can make or break a prosecution or defense case in court or a candidate’s run for office. I celebrate it and defend it.

    Does that answer the question?

  10. By Lisa on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Vote for this guy and your lives will be forever “changed”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cNtH1mULo

  11. By Craig R. Harmon on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Shane,

    So who has dismissed the testimony of Senators, congressmen, veterans, doctors and others? Not Lazarus Long. He stated explicitly, and I quote:

    3-However, makes some interesting points about the Senate activites and classification of the source documents. Worth more investigation.

    Doesn’t sound like an out-of-hand dismissal to me. He just doesn’t take every word that comes from the mouth of Senators, congressmen, veterans, doctors and others as gospel truth, to be taken at face value and believed uncritically. This is an election cycle. One that, according to all polls, is surprisingly tight for coming off of what many perceive to be the worst presidency ever, mired in an unpopular war, charges of impeachment-worthy high-crimes and misdemeanors, a book detailing why a Republican president should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity, many documented and prosecuted crimes by Republican officials. This should have been a cake-walk for any candidate not sporting an “R” behind his name but it isn’t. People have been known to exaggerate, to leave out exculpatory evidence, word things in ways to place others in the best light, or the worst as their perception of their own and the country’s particular political interests lie.

    But no one has yet dismissed this out of hand.

  12. By Chris Radulich on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    I saw a news clip during the 2004 republican convention which had 2 delegates roaming the floor. They had 2 small bandaids on their heads which they explained where examples of the wounds Kerry got in Nam (A typical example of how the republican party supports the military). This report certianlly lives up to the standards endorsed by the right.

  13. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Steve-O
    Who said he was my candidate?
    “These guys are not in uniform anymore”
    So what? Does that make their statements any more or less credible than when they were in uniform?
    “Look up what they have said and you’ll see for yourself.” I agree. I shall, and will post any links, true or false, that I find. All I want are the facts, for they will tell more than the left and right wing rantings in the blogosphere

  14. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Craig:
    Thanks for having my back…….

  15. By rube cretin on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    i personally find this x-congressman Dornan a verbose fool. however, the other fellows make interesting allegations. Now how do we get Mac on the record? Perhaps a well placed question during the debates. anyone want to bet whether the MSM will allow exploration into this issue? But then as a pol he would just tell a lie. I assume Obama Op Research has worked on the issue and has some info ready if things get real crazy. Hopefully we won’t have to find out the mans entire life is an illusion.

  16. By Skelly on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    I read about this story almost a year ago. Whoe here is trying to defend McCain as though he were an honest politician (lmao)? The story is a classic, and i didn’t ‘detect’ any falsehoods in the telling of it, just the names are different is all. And of course the rabbit hole goes much deeper…

  17. By hANOVER fIST on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    “Songbird” was being extracted from a location, and the dumb bastard didn’t pull his arms in - as a result they were BROKEN. His complement was captured, and instead of giving ONLY name, rank and serial number, he pleaded like a WHORE for preferential treatment, exclaiming that his father was a rich admiral…he was then given pain-killers and other amenities not offered to his fellow P.O.W.s in exchange for anti-U.S. propaganda films.

    I wish I could actually get one of them…I could singlehandedly DESTROY his goddamned campaign and rid my Republican party of his treasonous ilk.

    Along with his obvious vote pandering, I can’t see a single bloody reason why this fool should be allowed to tour the White House, much less occupy it as POTUS.

  18. By Lazarus Long on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Ok, I’d like to see the propaganda films or the transcripts or any concrete, non-anectdotal evidence of collaboration. This is in the same vein as Obama is a Muslim, will raise taxes, blah blah blah.
    What are the facts. Not someones interpretation, not someones rant. What are the facts?

  19. By Craig R. Harmon on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    Lazarus,

    This web page has links to .pdf files that the site claims are transcripts of various articles and broadcasts. I haven’t checked them out so I can’t corroborate anything about them but you’re the one that evinced interest in such transcripts.

  20. By kevin on Aug 22, 2008 | Reply

    17 where are the these propaganda tapes?? ohh they are top secret, can’t find any copies anywhere. john mccain found them all and hid them in an underground vault. please. we have the tapes of kerry in front of Congress bashing the troops, tapes of hanoi jane fonda selling out. but somehow all these other tapes just went missing.

  21. By Jon Ponder on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    We worked up a transcript of the video that might be of interest.

  22. By Fred on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    Chris Radulich are you talking about this picture?
    http://www.projo.com/blogs/shenews/photos/purpleheart.jpg

  23. By Lazarus Long on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    Craig:
    Thanks, I’ll take a look at it this weekend.
    Mr. Ponder:
    Thanks for the transcript; still, a Youtube product isn’t the most credible source. But I’ll do some digging and see what there is to see

  24. By Jim C on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    hanover fist,

    That has got to be the stupidest comment I’ve ever seen in my life. First of all, the idea that McCain was being extracted and didn’t pull his arms in? He was a pilot who was shot down. His arms were injured when he was shot down.

    His compliment was captured? What compliment? Once again, he was the pilot of a single seat fighter airplane. There was no compliment to be captured.

    Finally, I’d like to see these supposed propaganda films, or any evidence you have that he “pleaded like a whore for preferential treatment”. Until you can provide some, the only thing you’ve managed to do is make yourself look like an ass, and slander a man that served his country honorably.

    Jim C

  25. By Lazarus Long on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    Hannover Fist:
    Do you read your postings before you hit ‘enter’?

  26. By Douglas O on Aug 23, 2008 | Reply

    Lazarus Long keeps saying a Youtube product isn’t the most credible source.What a youtube video is,it is an easily published and broadcast venue.Most peoople don’t have the money to get such things on the air and if they did,would the corporate owned media broadcast a video like this?Highly unlikely to say the least.

  27. By hANOVER fIST on Aug 26, 2008 | Reply

    Oh, sure…he served his country honorably…I didn’t make up the nicknames “Songbird” and Canary”…his fellow POWs did…so don’t get bloody high and mighty with me.

    There seems to be a dispute as to how he was captured…and whether you believe that he didn’t give more than name, rank, and serial number upon his capture…but there is NO BLOODY WAY you can tell me that the so-called “Straight Talk Express” didn’t overturn multiple times in this campaign.

    If you have the chutzphah to vote for him, don’t spare the sons…remember, we need 400, 000 troops out there for his “hundred-year war”…or do you think that was made up, as well?

    He’ll be sipping lattes in one of his TEN HOUSES in his $520 lambskin loafers.

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